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21 Jan 2009, 10:15 am

While I wouldn't convert, people have a right to believe what they want.



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21 Jan 2009, 10:23 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
While I wouldn't convert, people have a right to believe what they want.


WITHIN REASON.

I think most freedoms like this should be taken with a grain of salt if they could be used at the expense of others wellbeing. Scientology is evil, so shouldn't come under freedom of religion and all that.

Similarly, it shouldn't be said that people have the right to believe that Allah or whoever wants them to kill innocent people in the name of religion. The same concept applies.


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21 Jan 2009, 10:28 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
While I wouldn't convert, people have a right to believe what they want.


WITHIN REASON.

I think most freedoms like this should be taken with a grain of salt if they could be used at the expense of others wellbeing. Scientology is evil, so shouldn't come under freedom of religion and all that.

Similarly, it shouldn't be said that people have the right to believe that Allah or whoever wants them to kill innocent people in the name of religion. The same concept applies.


Well, with the whole alien side of things then yeah people can believe whatever the hell they want but the way $cientology is run is simply not right and evil.

There is something called Free Zone (or something similar) which believes in all of L. Ron Hubbard's original stuff and is not run as a cult.

Oh yeah, the Church of $cientology DOSENT actually go from L. Ron Hubbard's original stuff, either.



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21 Jan 2009, 10:31 am

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all I want to know is, if its so terrible why is it allowed to continue? I find it evil.


It continues because there are probably $cientologists in the police and governments around the world. The place where they murdered Lisa McPherson was a place where all the policemen where $cientologists.

A interesting thing to note is that in Germany, $cientology is officially a terrorist organisation.



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21 Jan 2009, 11:12 am

We could do without.

That's like all I'm going to say.

Where I live that organisation is monitored by our federal office for the protection of the constitution. Because there's said to be lingering evidence that they could be a danger to the 'free democratic order'.


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21 Jan 2009, 11:23 am

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We could do without.

That's like all I'm going to say.

Where I live that organisation is monitored by our federal office for the protection of the constitution. Because there's said to be lingering evidence that they could be a danger to the 'free democratic order'.


Damn straight!



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22 Jan 2009, 7:28 am

DeLoreanDude wrote:
Sora wrote:
We could do without.

That's like all I'm going to say.

Where I live that organisation is monitored by our federal office for the protection of the constitution. Because there's said to be lingering evidence that they could be a danger to the 'free democratic order'.


Damn straight!


lol.
Seems there is another topic with practically the same name. Strange lol.
Is scientology a terrorist organisation? I was aware that it was recognised as a religon.


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22 Jan 2009, 7:59 am

People have a freedom to believe whatever they want, however they do not have the right to practice however they want. If a religious practice involves certain things (mainly disrupting people outside of the religion) the practice can be blocked. This is why you will find many anti-Scientology groups state their battle isn't with Scientology as a religion, but with the practices of the Church of Scientology.

What makes the Church of Scientology evil is that they have something called the "fair game policy", which basically allows them to discredit credits with complete disregard for facts.


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22 Jan 2009, 8:27 am

monkees4va wrote:
DeLoreanDude wrote:
Sora wrote:
We could do without.

That's like all I'm going to say.

Where I live that organisation is monitored by our federal office for the protection of the constitution. Because there's said to be lingering evidence that they could be a danger to the 'free democratic order'.


Damn straight!


lol.
Seems there is another topic with practically the same name. Strange lol.
Is scientology a terrorist organisation? I was aware that it was recognised as a religon.


www.whyweprotest.net

Also type "Scientology" into Google and YouTube and look at all the stuff that comes up.

It is reconised as a religion is the US because they wanted tax-exempt status. From what I unserstand, they broke into the government to achieve this.



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22 Jan 2009, 12:44 pm

They're a wonderful religion, you just have to join in before finding out what they're all about.

They have been misrepresented in the media. I think the media should be sued for that...I mean look at all the famous beautiful celebrities that support it.

What more could you ask for?

I recommend everyone join it and find out what it's really about..$__$


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22 Jan 2009, 12:53 pm

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They're a wonderful religion, you just have to join in before finding out what they're all about.

They have been misrepresented in the media. I think the media should be sued for that...I mean look at all the famous beautiful celebrities that support it.

What more could you ask for?

I recommend everyone join it and find out what it's really about..$__$


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22 Jan 2009, 2:35 pm

DeLoreanDude wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
While I wouldn't convert, people have a right to believe what they want.


WITHIN REASON.

I think most freedoms like this should be taken with a grain of salt if they could be used at the expense of others wellbeing. Scientology is evil, so shouldn't come under freedom of religion and all that.

Similarly, it shouldn't be said that people have the right to believe that Allah or whoever wants them to kill innocent people in the name of religion. The same concept applies.


Well, with the whole alien side of things then yeah people can believe whatever the hell they want but the way $cientology is run is simply not right and evil.

There is something called Free Zone (or something similar) which believes in all of L. Ron Hubbard's original stuff and is not run as a cult.

Oh yeah, the Church of $cientology DOSENT actually go from L. Ron Hubbard's original stuff, either.


The Free Zone is fighting a legal battle with the Church over the right to practice dianetics and scientology. If they were 'religious' they wouldn't be suing them. This is indisputable proof that they are merely a corporation using the status as a religion to become tax-exempt and to be able to call their detractors intolerant, that the Church is persecuted. A bunch of lies... I mentioned it in another thread but they also run something called 'narconon' which uses L. Ron's beliefs on illicit drugs as a rehabilitation plan. Unfortunately, most of his ideas are completely wrong and actually cause physical harm to people. The E-Meter, as well, does absolutely nothing. I highly recommend people here who are interested look up the 'Sea Organization', which is the elite part of Scientology, that operates generally in international waters (it is a small fleet of yachts and etc) so as to allow its leadership to abuse its members in whatever manner they wish...



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22 Jan 2009, 2:58 pm

Vigilans wrote:
DeLoreanDude wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
While I wouldn't convert, people have a right to believe what they want.


WITHIN REASON.

I think most freedoms like this should be taken with a grain of salt if they could be used at the expense of others wellbeing. Scientology is evil, so shouldn't come under freedom of religion and all that.

Similarly, it shouldn't be said that people have the right to believe that Allah or whoever wants them to kill innocent people in the name of religion. The same concept applies.


Well, with the whole alien side of things then yeah people can believe whatever the hell they want but the way $cientology is run is simply not right and evil.

There is something called Free Zone (or something similar) which believes in all of L. Ron Hubbard's original stuff and is not run as a cult.

Oh yeah, the Church of $cientology DOSENT actually go from L. Ron Hubbard's original stuff, either.


The Free Zone is fighting a legal battle with the Church over the right to practice dianetics and scientology. If they were 'religious' they wouldn't be suing them. This is indisputable proof that they are merely a corporation using the status as a religion to become tax-exempt and to be able to call their detractors intolerant, that the Church is persecuted. A bunch of lies... I mentioned it in another thread but they also run something called 'narconon' which uses L. Ron's beliefs on illicit drugs as a rehabilitation plan. Unfortunately, most of his ideas are completely wrong and actually cause physical harm to people. The E-Meter, as well, does absolutely nothing. I highly recommend people here who are interested look up the 'Sea Organization', which is the elite part of Scientology, that operates generally in international waters (it is a small fleet of yachts and etc) so as to allow its leadership to abuse its members in whatever manner they wish...


Yes, they are certainly notorious for suing people! And yes their stupid fake medicine is horrible! It's the reason that Jett Travolta is dead! The e-meter is, again, crap. Like I said in a previous post, it said that someone was gay when they wern't at all. It's a huge scam to get money off people then kill them.



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22 Jan 2009, 3:03 pm

Hm, can you provide some evidence to support that Scientology caused Jett's death? I've heard this but as far as I know, Jett had 'Kawasaki Syndrome' or something along those lines, a neurological disease. Scientologists are notorious for hating on Psychiatric drugs but they do not eshew traditional medicine and I can't imagine them wanting one of their star members children to die



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22 Jan 2009, 3:05 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Hm, can you provide some evidence to support that Scientology caused Jett's death? I've heard this but as far as I know, Jett had 'Kawasaki Syndrome' or something along those lines, a neurological disease. Scientologists are notorious for hating on Psychiatric drugs but they do not eshew traditional medicine and I can't imagine them wanting one of their star members children to die


There is evidence that he was autistic, people who knew about autism who knew him actually said so, but $cientology dosent accept it so he never got diagnosed and he certainly never got treatment which would have helped a lot, maybe even stopped the seizures altogether.

Also, it's very very rare that Kawasaki Syndrome causes seizures, experts on it said so. In fact, they said that all symptoms of it are usually gone by adolescence.



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22 Jan 2009, 4:20 pm

I just went and read up some articles on Jett. That is truly a sad story. How Scientology can refute metal illness is beyond me. As far as I am aware, there are no modern religions who make this claim. And even if they refute mental illness, I don't see autism as an illness, its a developmental disorder, and as this forum shows, the autistic community would argue with being categorized as 'diseased'