What’s the RIGHT Planet?

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Evrything you've said above validates a world in which religion and superstition (at least, in any organised form) would have no place at all.

"Stuff Makes Sense" - No more doubletalk about gods working in mysterious ways; no more declarations of undocumented and apocryphal events being miracles; and no more need to use the threat of eternal torment to keep people ignorant in order to provide a large and expendable labor force for the priest-kings to build temples, palaces, and armies.

"Qualitative Difference Between Objects and People" - No more worship of geometric symbols, books, real estate, or natural phenomenon. No more use of same as "evidence" of supernatural beings. No more wars fought over crosses, stars, crescents, and the improvable concepts they may represent.

"A Place Where You Don't Have To Worry About Ulterior Motives" - No more lies about faeries in the sky that love you, but who will make you and your descendents suffer unto the umpteenth generation if you don't immediately turn over your free will an all your gold to an old man in a dress who denies that the world is round and that any woman who has reached puberty must be sold off as chattel to the highest bidder ... with a percentage of the sale going directly to finance yet another monumental palace to one man's alleged piety and devotion to his gods, of course.

"The Prime Ingredient of Such a Planet Would Have to be Justice" - Finally, the kind of justice that says that when money is given to help the poor, it actually goes to help the poor, instead of being used to finance the extravagant lifestyles and estates of religious leaders. The kind of justice that says, "You've made claims for the existance of a being without providing repeatably verifiable evidence for that being's existance, and further claimed that you are not merely telling fictional stories for amusement. Here is a legal order restraining your corruptive and immoral activities...".


I can hardly wait!

Although Aspies seem to have sold themselves the idea that they are a better type of human with a few more sensible characteristics, the mount of silly nonsense prevalent in this site is not encouraging. When humans can grasp that they are merely a rather ingenious form of ape and that they are totally responsible for both the successes and the huge failures of the species and whatever happens to them is more or less their own fault and requires their own solutions humanity may have some chance at surviving in a universe that is totally uncaring one way or another as to the fate of humanity or the fate of all life itself. At this point I am not optimistic.

Fnord:

Did you ever know that you're my hero?



- Jo

Humans are the smartest baddest apes in The Monkey House.

ruveyn

Humans are the smartest baddest apes in The Monkey House.

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And it looks like they simply are not smart enough to keep from committing suicide as a species.

When and where have we committed suicide as a species. There has been a lot of killing but there are six billion of us that have survived all the bad behavior.

We primates are still around as a dominant species. The cockroaches will just have to wait their turn along with the rats.

ruveyn

Goodness, that hubris problem again. The dominant species are bacteria and they have been around a lot longer than humans and are likely to survive humans by millions of years after we have made the planet uninhabitable for other life forms.

Perhaps the problem is less our survival as a species, but the survival of our civilisation. Western history had at least one time experienced a total breakdown of its civilisation in the 4th and 5th century and it took more than 1000 years to recover.

When this would happen again, I would strongly prefer not to be around.

The destruction of our civilization is a distinct possibility. It happened with Rome. But Rome did not go crash in the night. It declined over many years.

The worst case is a nuclear war. That would bust us up pretty well. Many would survive, but it would be very rough on the survivors for many years, perhaps decades before some reasonable infrastructure could be rebuilt. I seriously doubt that knowledge would per permanently lost. It is stored in too many places and in too many forms for that.

ruveyn

Increased globalization seems to decrease the risk of a dark age having the same kind of catastrophic effect that they've had in the past. A Western dark age would suck for the West, but it isn't like the knowledge and whatnot would be lost; the torch would simply be picked up by someone better (I'm looking at East Asia). Globalization means that anything approaching a dark age could be more readily recovered from.

No, to really be catastrophic, you need a whole new class of dark age.

Simply put we are rapidly approaching the point that Malthus warned about. The oceans are being cleared of fish and global warming is causing wild disruptions of life cycles of both animals and plants. The melting ice in Antarctica and Greenland is causing a rapid rise of the sea and submerging islands and low lying areas. Fertile land is being diverted into inappropriate uses and the price of food is rising to such an extent that starvation is becoming pandemic. There is not enough fresh water to sustain current agriculture. There will, within the coming decades, be wars about food, land, water and fleeing refugees. Atomic warfare is not necessary to create global chaos. And governments and those that control governments are doing little or nothing to reverse this rapidly approaching disaster. Whether knowledge is or is not preserved is irrelevant.

To Fnord, RE: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:33 am

BRAVO !

Do you disagree with anything I've said?

I'll second that.

From a Biblical point of view, not a man made religions point of view, the story is that this was the right planet, only its soverignty was stolen from a good and just God by an evil and selfish god.

That is why it is no longer a good place to live.

The Biblical story is that one day and probably quite soon, the first God is going to take back rulership and then it will be the right planet.

Oh that nasty old Yaweh!

You are spewing gnostic drivel, do you know that?

ruveyn

Wouldn't know.