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Should we start a war with China?
Poll ended at 19 Mar 2009, 10:56 pm
Yes 11%  11%  [ 6 ]
No 89%  89%  [ 47 ]
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18 Feb 2009, 3:32 am

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I think we should start a civil war in China and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous.

1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.

2) We need to eliminate the communist dictatorship that exists in China. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the Chinese government we eliminate the only existing super power that seriously violates human rights.

3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay China what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in the United States.

4) China is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.

5) If helped Chinese people over throw their government, we would become allies, and help the Chinese people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's superpowers.

What do you think? Should we allow China to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their government, before it is to late?


How would you start a Civil War in China. And what makes you thing the "right" side will win?

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18 Feb 2009, 8:46 am

Now it's possible that if a democratic revolt broke out across China be might back the revolutionaries, under the table at first, and then simply recognize them as the legitimate government of China after they gain control of a majority of the country. However actively starting the revolt is another matter entirely, since it is very stupid and if word ever got out about our involvement we'd be ostracized by the international community for decades to come.


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18 Feb 2009, 8:52 am

The_Cucumber is correct.

Though how can the revolution become successful? They've been trying that one for decades, have they not? What about Tiananmen Square?


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18 Feb 2009, 8:54 am

The_Cucumber wrote:
Now it's possible that if a democratic revolt broke out across China be might back the revolutionaries, under the table at first, and then simply recognize them as the legitimate government of China after they gain control of a majority of the country. However actively starting the revolt is another matter entirely, since it is very stupid and if word ever got out about our involvement we'd be ostracized by the international community for decades to come.


Oh Horrors! You mean the Euro-trash would call us nasty names?

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18 Feb 2009, 8:59 am

ruveyn wrote:
The_Cucumber wrote:
Now it's possible that if a democratic revolt broke out across China be might back the revolutionaries, under the table at first, and then simply recognize them as the legitimate government of China after they gain control of a majority of the country. However actively starting the revolt is another matter entirely, since it is very stupid and if word ever got out about our involvement we'd be ostracized by the international community for decades to come.


Oh Horrors! You mean the Euro-trash would call us nasty names?

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Most of the world hates America as it is, why do you think most of the Islamist states want to bomb the hell out of you? How the world sees a country is important. Else America could be the country with the bloody revolution on its hands.


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18 Feb 2009, 9:57 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
The_Cucumber wrote:
Now it's possible that if a democratic revolt broke out across China be might back the revolutionaries, under the table at first, and then simply recognize them as the legitimate government of China after they gain control of a majority of the country. However actively starting the revolt is another matter entirely, since it is very stupid and if word ever got out about our involvement we'd be ostracized by the international community for decades to come.


Oh Horrors! You mean the Euro-trash would call us nasty names?

ruveyn


Most of the world hates America as it is, why do you think most of the Islamist states want to bomb the hell out of you? How the world sees a country is important. Else America could be the country with the bloody revolution on its hands.

don't worry gina ghettoprincess, many of the middle eastern countries hate the uk just as bad as the usa. they probably laugh at the uk more because the uk is the usa's b***h. hey, when is the uk gonna solve the israel - palestinian problem. why do you guys stir crap up there then look to the usa to solve your mess?


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18 Feb 2009, 10:01 am

IdahoAspie wrote:
I think we should start a civil war in China and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous.

1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.

2) We need to eliminate the communist dictatorship that exists in China. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the Chinese government we eliminate the only existing super power that seriously violates human rights.

3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay China what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in the United States.

4) China is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.

5) If helped Chinese people over throw their government, we would become allies, and help the Chinese people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's superpowers.

What do you think? Should we allow China to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their government, before it is to late?

so many people that would die if that happened. the mass killings that would happen. idahoaspie, why do you tink mass-killings are a great idea? can we start with you?


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18 Feb 2009, 10:04 am

AAKills wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
The_Cucumber wrote:
Now it's possible that if a democratic revolt broke out across China be might back the revolutionaries, under the table at first, and then simply recognize them as the legitimate government of China after they gain control of a majority of the country. However actively starting the revolt is another matter entirely, since it is very stupid and if word ever got out about our involvement we'd be ostracized by the international community for decades to come.


Oh Horrors! You mean the Euro-trash would call us nasty names?

ruveyn


Most of the world hates America as it is, why do you think most of the Islamist states want to bomb the hell out of you? How the world sees a country is important. Else America could be the country with the bloody revolution on its hands.

don't worry gina ghettoprincess, many of the middle eastern countries hate the uk just as bad as the usa. they probably laugh at the uk more because the uk is the usa's b***h. hey, when is the uk gonna solve the israel - palestinian problem. why do you guys stir crap up there then look to the usa to solve your mess?


Yes, I know, we suck too. I blame Tony Blair.


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18 Feb 2009, 10:32 am

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It is quite astounding that anyone over the age of 3 has the moral ineptitude to openly desire war to settle any difficult problem that might be settled by less violent means. The experiences of Viet Nam and currently Iraq where huge numbers of people have suffered horrible tortures and death for very little if any reason and no accomplishment whatsoever seems to have passed some people totally by. The world is undergoing great economic turmoil and violent changes without even contemplating the almost total catastrophe a huge, possibly atomic war might engender. If the USA wants to create a final blow that will probably destroy it completely then it will try to face off China with violence.


Keep bull(sh*t) out of China shop topic

Artifical creation of war is lunacy. I believe greed and monetary mismanagement is the cause of this global depression, and war is not going to solve this.

What will work? Co-operation, change of leadership, realistic understanding of how the stock market/finance operates, engaging in honest business, optimism, trust, and personally learning to make do with less. Unpopular ideas, and they take time, but global conflict will result in global annihilation, as some posters have already written. :)


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18 Feb 2009, 12:19 pm

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Sand wrote:
It is quite astounding that anyone over the age of 3 has the moral ineptitude to openly desire war to settle any difficult problem that might be settled by less violent means. The experiences of Viet Nam and currently Iraq where huge numbers of people have suffered horrible tortures and death for very little if any reason and no accomplishment whatsoever seems to have passed some people totally by. The world is undergoing great economic turmoil and violent changes without even contemplating the almost total catastrophe a huge, possibly atomic war might engender. If the USA wants to create a final blow that will probably destroy it completely then it will try to face off China with violence.


Keep bull(sh*t) out of China shop topic

Artifical creation of war is lunacy. I believe greed and monetary mismanagement is the cause of this global depression, and war is not going to solve this.

What will work? Co-operation, change of leadership, realistic understanding of how the stock market/finance operates, engaging in honest business, optimism, trust, and personally learning to make do with less. Unpopular ideas, and they take time, but global conflict will result in global annihilation, as some posters have already written. :)


Since it most certainly would take the second coming of Christ to accomplish all those good works we may have to wait a while. Since I am not religious, I am not optimistic.



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18 Feb 2009, 9:54 pm

Sand wrote:
It is quite astounding that anyone over the age of 3 has the moral ineptitude to openly desire war to settle any difficult problem that might be settled by less violent means. The experiences of Viet Nam and currently Iraq where huge numbers of people have suffered horrible tortures and death for very little if any reason and no accomplishment whatsoever seems to have passed some people totally by. The world is undergoing great economic turmoil and violent changes without even contemplating the almost total catastrophe a huge, possibly atomic war might engender. If the USA wants to create a final blow that will probably destroy it completely then it will try to face off China with violence.


The Iraq war produced exactly what it intended. To make certain people rich. How about a war, like WWII that is designed to do good for the world.



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18 Feb 2009, 9:55 pm

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not to mention the US has a higher per capita prison population than China...


Are you saying you would rather be in a Chinese Prison than a US Prison?



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18 Feb 2009, 9:59 pm

ruveyn wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
I think we should start a civil war in China and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous.

1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.

2) We need to eliminate the communist dictatorship that exists in China. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the Chinese government we eliminate the only existing super power that seriously violates human rights.

3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay China what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in the United States.

4) China is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.

5) If helped Chinese people over throw their government, we would become allies, and help the Chinese people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's superpowers.

What do you think? Should we allow China to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their government, before it is to late?


How would you start a Civil War in China. And what makes you thing the "right" side will win?

ruveyn


Good Question. The majority of people in China want democracy, and free enterprise. I say offer it to them if they overthrow the communist dictatorship, then arm them.



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18 Feb 2009, 10:05 pm

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IdahoAspie wrote:
I think we should start a civil war in China and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous.

1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.

2) We need to eliminate the communist dictatorship that exists in China. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the Chinese government we eliminate the only existing super power that seriously violates human rights.

3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay China what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in the United States.

4) China is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.

5) If helped Chinese people over throw their government, we would become allies, and help the Chinese people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's superpowers.

What do you think? Should we allow China to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their government, before it is to late?

so many people that would die if that happened. the mass killings that would happen. idahoaspie, why do you tink mass-killings are a great idea? can we start with you?


What good is living if it is done in a communist oppressive country? You have no rights, your children are killed by the government. You are forced into an occupation against your will. You have not property, and no justice system? Is that living?

And yes, if I would be the first die, if I was also to be given the chance at freedom.



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18 Feb 2009, 10:14 pm

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@ the op, is this post meant to be taken seriously, or are you being satirical


It is a "what if" thought exercise. When is a war justified. I think against China it is. Only its size and the task is would be hard to do. And why should the US do it, and not everyone.

I don't think anyone can serious defend China's dictatorship that slaughters people on a massive scale, pollutes the atmosphere on a global scale, and oppresses the basic human rights of billions.

If the Chinese people wanted to revolt, and take their country, by force, why wouldn't they be justified in doing so? Why shouldn't the USA help in that noble endeavor?

We should not be bombing innocent people. But I have no problems with bombing evil people that slaughter millions or those that defend them.



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18 Feb 2009, 10:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
The_Cucumber wrote:
Now it's possible that if a democratic revolt broke out across China be might back the revolutionaries, under the table at first, and then simply recognize them as the legitimate government of China after they gain control of a majority of the country. However actively starting the revolt is another matter entirely, since it is very stupid and if word ever got out about our involvement we'd be ostracized by the international community for decades to come.


Oh Horrors! You mean the Euro-trash would call us nasty names?

ruveyn


Yeah, I not sure I can live without France or Danish approval :roll: . You think twice they tried to play nice with the evil countries, and twice the USA had to bail them out. That was just from one country in one century.