Why do you hate the USA?

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I don't know why people hate me cos I'm American...

This is why I don't put my location down in most sites. Incidentally I had one member from another site refute with me about pagan cultures and then told me "You Americans wouldn't understand cos your education system sucks ass..."

I guess because of Bush and what he did and other factors in history that made America what it is today such as genocide to the Natives...mind you other American continents such as South America and Cuba are responsible for the same thing.

To put it bluntly, we're seen as greedy and ready to make a quick business even if it involves cheap labor to save those American bills which most of us I don't think are too proud of.

What I don't like about the U.S. is when congress passes these bills without us knowing what they really are. You know like when you're sent in a bunch of paper with fine print at the bottom that sounds inalienable....the of course the old geezers that've been in the congress for some time now. We need to elect new officials....but all of them just seem to be fancy politics covering their own ass. I can't even keep up with who's who and what party do they belong to.

I must agree, I'm not quite sure that all these things examined objectively, would automatically equal an "I LOVE MY COUNTRY" vote from me. I don't say that phrase often. Certainly not for the past ten years. I have not been a proud American much in my lifetime. My public school system has failed me consistently. Undoubtably there are plenty of other things that didn't make it on this list that I would add but I didn't because I'm sure that I would get bashed even more than I probably will after I write this little paragraph.

I have even had a president that made a public statement that ketchup was suitable as a vegetable in school lunches. No need for real nutrition. Thanks Regan. Despite that, I grew up, I am not a drug dealer, in prison or in a gang. I have had plenty of advantages in life though. I have known people who have not had advantages and have seen people blame the American system. I know people that say that they only have themselves to blame, but thats not entirely true, they must own their part, and so must America. Americans tend to say that they love their country first and justify it later, as if that is the fist and most important phrase in the "American" language. I have been skeptical of that for some time.

Let's see:

The United States attacked another country (Iraq) without cause, our leaders making up lies to justify this action.

The United States basically scrapped the Geneva Convention, holding people without cause, torturing prisoners, and sending prisoners to other countries where torture is not banned.

The United States stripped its citizens of many of the rights guaranteed under the Constitution.

The United States caused the current economic mess, but takes no responsibility for doing so.

...that's for starters. I'm sure I will think of more reasons as soon as I post this

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You also know that the Roman Empire eventually fell.
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As will all empires, domains and societies. Human societies and governments do not last.

Our fall may be due sooner than we would like.


ruveyn

Since the fall of the Soviet-Union it often said that the US are like Rome.

If the US would be like Rome in late Republic, there would brutal and bloody class wars, dictatorships and open corruption. I do not see in the US a Sulla how let kill his political enemies on the steps of the Capitol in the hundreds.

There are also other differences: Republican Rome run their wars as a business. All war were surplus deals for the state and the rich. I do not see this with the wars of the US. Whilst Rome's even in beginning of the Imperial period wars provided Rome with new resources the current wars of the US shows the limit of the resources of the US.

Rome was able to turn the conquered provinces into Rome. Gallian senators were appointed as early as with Claudius. I don't see this with the US. Rome's cultural legacy is still the common basis of Europe, even more than 1500 years after the fall of West Rome: The EU-Court in Luxembourg runs under the label "CVRIA", officiers of the EU-Parliament are called "Quaetor", the Roman Law is still the common basis for all continental legal systems. I would be surprised if this will be the same case with the US.

It more likely that we will end up in a kind of Empire, but less an empire like the Roman or British Empire with a strong central power, more an Empire like the Holy Roman Empire with a complex network of powers, responsibilities, legal arrangements, hold together via complex bands of different strength and more-or-less formalised consent finding processes.

I see that the US will play in "Empire" an important role, but others too.

I don't hate the US. I just don't like how they do some things and that they're still more powerful than the EU.

I don't hate america, but they have annoying accents

Why would you think EU being charge would be better?

Europeans have a longer experience in running Empires; they already done the foolish things in the recent 2500 years.

true. i always giggle a bit when americans accuse us of being sissies and softies :]
*cough*thousandsofyearsofthemostbrutalhistoryyoucanimagine*cough*

Plus, WWII was fought on your soil, not ours

thats what i was refering to, that and everything else we've been upto, colonization (genocides) of south america, africa and asia, belgium allone may have killed over _thirty million_ people in congo, the world wars, dictatorships were commonplace untill recently, there was franco's spain, that ended in 1980. even then there was a short lasting military coup, to bring back the dictatorship. there was the yugoslav wars, a european full-out war in the 90's - to this day, this conflict has yet to truly settle.
belarus is considered europes "last dictatorship"

and when americans accuse us of being too friendly w the muslims, they forget that europeans and muslims had an all-out war, that litterally lasted for centuries, we've allready fought it out
we're all flat out exhausted of all the wars, and america comes along "hey guys, whats wrong, you dont wanna join our wars, you wimps!"

To put the dimensions a bit right: WWII was a horrible war, but not the most devastating war in modern European History. This was without any doubt the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648) which lead to a system of canalizing warfare and International Law which worked relatively well till 1914.

I think hatred of a nation misses the point; we should hate human evil. Since that exists everywhere, hating just one member or group which participates in it is hypocrisy.

We should each start by hating our own evil. If everyone works on that, this will be a much better world.

Not bad Ragtime, Of course you have not defined what 'human evil' is and how to address it but I like the sentiment

Although the concept of 'hating our own evil' seems a bit strange because to my mind 'hatred' is evil