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23 Feb 2009, 6:08 pm

Henriksson wrote:
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Does existing only in our minds count as "existing"?

No living person fits that description.

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Sorry, I meant does MAGIC existing only in our mind count as existing? :lol:

Inasmuch as any other fantasy concept exists only in our minds, so does "Magic".


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23 Feb 2009, 8:06 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Does existing only in our minds count as "existing"?


No living person fits that description.

ruveyn

You exist in my mind, and that's the only thing I can must certainly be sure of, although I can only perceive people here as a bunch of characters.


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23 Feb 2009, 8:44 pm

magik is real

http://goldenrays.ning.com/

just not harry potterish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaAUxqDFXS4&NR=1


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23 Feb 2009, 9:36 pm

No more than a lot of unsubstantiated claims, no matter how you look at it.


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23 Feb 2009, 10:19 pm

greenblue wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Does existing only in our minds count as "existing"?


No living person fits that description.

ruveyn

You exist in my mind, and that's the only thing I can must certainly be sure of, although I can only perceive people here as a bunch of characters.


Now many elements does the set S = {x|x exists only in the mind of x} contain?

Think about it.

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02 Dec 2010, 1:50 pm

I strongly believe in magick and advise all aspies to get into it. i bought a great book by a guy named Vitimus and then made friends with him on facebook. visualisation, meditation, spells.



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02 Dec 2010, 1:58 pm

so like neo paganism?



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02 Dec 2010, 2:25 pm

I continue to believe that 'supernatural' and 'magick' are just crap pejoratives. 90 - 95% of it is fake, the remainder is scientifically explainable but based on theories of physics and our connection to the unvierse that we haven't mapped to date. Anything we find that's 'mystical' at this point will likely behave just as logically as anything else once we understand it.



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02 Dec 2010, 2:30 pm

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i know adult people, members of "O.T.O." who wave wands, wear robes, and perform silly rituals.

the only thing they get out of it, is a horrendously pretentious and condescending attitude. good for them.

Sounds a lot like Wu-Shu style Kung Fu.



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02 Dec 2010, 3:28 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I continue to believe that 'supernatural' and 'magick' are just crap pejoratives. 90 - 95% of it is fake, the remainder is scientifically explainable but based on theories of physics and our connection to the unvierse that we haven't mapped to date. Anything we find that's 'mystical' at this point will likely behave just as logically as anything else once we understand it.


thats nice
taking a verbal s**t on someone's beliefs
thanks for that :roll:



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02 Dec 2010, 3:36 pm

Magick exists. I was just petting her!

She even has her own song: The Magick Show


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02 Dec 2010, 4:43 pm

I dunno if it exists. It's useful though.


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02 Dec 2010, 5:53 pm

Kilroy wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I continue to believe that 'supernatural' and 'magick' are just crap pejoratives. 90 - 95% of it is fake, the remainder is scientifically explainable but based on theories of physics and our connection to the unvierse that we haven't mapped to date. Anything we find that's 'mystical' at this point will likely behave just as logically as anything else once we understand it.


thats nice
taking a verbal sh** on someone's beliefs
thanks for that :roll:

In otherwords I just offended strong materialist/atheists and magick believers alike? I'll have to stop playing the middle-ground so hard I guess.



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02 Dec 2010, 6:03 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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I continue to believe that 'supernatural' and 'magick' are just crap pejoratives. 90 - 95% of it is fake, the remainder is scientifically explainable but based on theories of physics and our connection to the unvierse that we haven't mapped to date. Anything we find that's 'mystical' at this point will likely behave just as logically as anything else once we understand it.


thats nice
taking a verbal sh** on someone's beliefs
thanks for that :roll:

In otherwords I just offended strong materialist/atheists and magick believers alike? I'll have to stop playing the middle-ground so hard I guess.


I suspect Kilroy didn't understand your post.


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02 Dec 2010, 10:56 pm

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In otherwords I just offended strong materialist/atheists and magick believers alike? I'll have to stop playing the middle-ground so hard I guess.


I suspect Kilroy didn't understand your post.

I'm practicing the art of both explaining something while not looking like I'm bending over backward to do so :lol:.



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05 Dec 2010, 6:00 pm

Magick is real. Most people think it's ridiculous to believe that magical rituals could possibly accomplish anything, but that's just because most people are uninformed. Rituals are just what is going on on the surface. To a person who has never seen a lightswitch before, it may seem ridiculous that simply flipping a switch can light up a room. But an informed person knows that the switch is connected to wires and voltage and infrastructure that allow it work like "magic".

That's the way magick works: through study and training of the mind, one learns how to create metaphysical constructs on the astral plane and how to connect them to metaphysical sources of power. And so tools like wands and words of power work just as the switch to get things working.

If you are really interested in magick, read a book. Then read another book, then another book. Forget about looking for approval from society at large or the mainstream media. Reality does not work as it appears to work on the surface. Magic(k) is a complex and esoteric subject you are not going to understand by reading a few comments on an internet forum.

Here are some books I recommend:
Modern Magick by Donald Kraig
More Simplified Magic: Pathworking and the Tree of Life by Ted Andrews
Ceremonial Magic & The Power of Evocation by Joseph C. Lisiewski (Actually just go to amazon dot com and read at least the beginning part in the preview)
Authors: Dion Fortune, Israel Regardie, Franz Bardon.