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Will Obama fix the economy?
Yes. Yes He Can. 32%  32%  [ 11 ]
Doesn't look that way from where I'm sitting. 68%  68%  [ 23 ]
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28 Feb 2009, 5:59 pm

Orwell wrote:
One person can not "fix" the economy, no matter who they are. Obama seems to be employing some very well-educated advisers who will hopefully help him in ensuring that the current recession is less bad than it could be. We will recover from it eventually, but it will not be because of Obama, nor will it be in spite of him. Obama personally has very little real control over the economy, and can only make an existing situation temporarily somewhat worse or somewhat better. Hopefully it will be the latter.

Also, looking just at stock prices as an indication of the health of the economy is probably not the most accurate view. Stocks don't always reflect the strength of the economy (they sure didn't in 1928) and besides that, we've seen some deflation recently so stock prices would be expected to be lower.



That's TRUE. Those who really care about America and its future though will work TOGETHER with this administration to help fix this quandary but there will always be petty partisans who are not suffering finanically who will actively wish him to fail............ :x



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28 Feb 2009, 9:04 pm

To all the people that said Obama will fix the economy: you make me laugh :lmao:

As for making the economy recover, Obama so far has not done a thing that will help (his stimulus package is garbage). Not only that, but we're so deep in the muck, that nobody could "fix" this in 4 years.

Our horrible debt-based financial system has given the economy quite a bout of diarrhea that won't pass for quite some time. I know Obama isn't going to fix our financial system, either. So in no sense of the word will our new president "fix" the economy. If he did something to get rid of fractional reserve banking though, THEN I'd have some hope (but everyone knows he won't).



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28 Feb 2009, 9:22 pm

If anyone still doubts that the White House can have a negative effect on the stock market, I remind you to take a look at the performance of medical stocks in reaction to the Obama budget. Up till now, they've been outperforming the economy, but in the past few days they've gone doooown. Merck, holding fairly steady till now lost 7% just yesterday and 13% since opening on Thursday. Pfizer? Down 10% from close on Tuesday. I'm not sure how the Alternext Biotech and Pharmaceutical indexes are done, but they decline well ahead of the rest of the other major indexes yesterday (except for one for banks of course), despite performing significantly better YTD. Reason for this is being widely attributed to the anticipated damage that 'Bam's healthcare reforms will do.

Now, one might argue that this is entirely acceptable, but I think it pretty well demonstrates that at this point the White House is having a very real effect on the way the stock market is going.


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01 Mar 2009, 6:49 am

This is a mistake I see far too often.

Obama does nothing of the sort, OP. He is the President. His job is to enforce the law.

Congress makes the law. Congress has the power. Whatever happens as a result of the most recent gov't spending, it's entirely, and wholly, Congress's fault.

The inevitable question of veto is a funny one, and my response is as follows: George Washington made it a point to never veto anything unless it was unconstitutional. He saw it that congress is the voice of the people, and if it's the people's will, then the people's will be done - to whatever end. So, I can never blame Obama for not vetoing something unless it's unconstitutional, as I agree with Washington's stance. If you don't like what Congress does, vote for a different congressmen in 2010.



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01 Mar 2009, 9:35 am

Cyanide wrote:

Our horrible debt-based financial system has given the economy quite a bout of diarrhea that won't pass for quite some time.


Actually, the diarrhea did pass. Passing diarrhea was not the problem. Now we're severely constipated. Time for some more of that yummy Pepto Bismol.



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02 Mar 2009, 9:43 am

DJIA at 6924 now, 100 points lower than when I started this thread. :?

The problem with Obama's philosophy (and it's certainly not his alone) is that he sees important businesses with financial deficits, and thinks, "Well, they need more money. If they get money to replace their losses, everything will normalize." Sounds okay in theory, but the flaw in that reasoning is that America's economy survives on confidence, not a few random infusements of cold hard cash, however great. So, by giving out these random infusements of cash to failing businesses, Obama is actually eroding America's confidence in the health of its ecomony, and, thereby, eroding the ecomony itself. And so, down goes the Dow. Obama's and the reigning Democrats' policy is the filling-a-leaky-barrel-with-water solution. It just won't work until you actually fix the holes.

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02 Mar 2009, 10:39 am

Dow below 7000!
*Sings* It's the end of the world as we know it...


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02 Mar 2009, 11:51 am

6849....



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02 Mar 2009, 12:04 pm

If things don't turn around, then we may end up in a Rush Limbaugh dictatorship.



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02 Mar 2009, 12:13 pm

Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?

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02 Mar 2009, 12:31 pm

That was a good one :lol:

I think we've finally identified the problem. :lol:



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02 Mar 2009, 1:44 pm

the poll is biased. it takes the basis that obama has made it a goal to fix the economy, and that he is failing as a president.

obama is not trying to fix the economy. its not in his power to fix.



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02 Mar 2009, 1:47 pm

down over 200 points today... before now, I could always tell myself "At least the Dow hasn't broken 7000". And the S&P 500 is doing even worse. :|


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02 Mar 2009, 3:10 pm

6800

I'm hearing a SSSSSSSssssssss, and seeing a giant red, white, and blue raft deflating.



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02 Mar 2009, 3:20 pm

Ragtime wrote:
6800

I'm hearing a SSSSSSSssssssss, and seeing a giant red, white, and blue raft deflating.


You should be happy. We know you want the President to fail; at this point, that requires destroying the country.



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02 Mar 2009, 3:46 pm

Down 300! But there's still 15 minutes left! Who knows what'll happen!

It's like a train wreck; I can't stop looking. Cursed snow days :lol:


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