20 Mar 2009, 4:43 pm
gina-ghettoprincess
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20 Mar 2009, 4:48 pm
That is a gross misrepresentation. The Chinese government are deliberately sending more and more Han Chinese into Tibet to make the Tibetans a minority in their own nation, thus destroying Tibetan culture. The Tibetans are being treated in a way similar to how the Jews were treated in Nazi Germany. It's an atrocity, plain and simple, not a multi-ethnic society.
But hey, of course a guy supporting China would write such propaganda.
20 Mar 2009, 4:53 pm
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20 Mar 2009, 5:49 pm
Nobody cares about the Tuvans anymore, either. 
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20 Mar 2009, 5:53 pm
ruveyn
Typical right wing.
20 Mar 2009, 6:24 pm
ruveyn
Typical right wing.
No. It is typical good sense and logic. Life is short, time is limited. We do not have infinite capacity for caring. Hence we should spend our limited supply of compassion on that which benefits us the most.
I am a libertarian, if you must know. The last Conservative I gave a damn about was Barry Goldwater and he has been dead a long time.
ruveyn
20 Mar 2009, 6:30 pm
why this constant priority for the tibetans?
is it because tibetans are cooler, being buddhists, while the uyghurs are just simple muslims?
i know the answer tho, and its this:
the tibet issue has media coverage.
uyghuristan does not.
uyghuristan has even been repeatedly nuked by china, as part of tests. still nobody gives a sh**.
and in case you still dont get what im talking about, the uyghurs are the northern part, above tibet, with a independence struggle as long as the tibetans.
screw the uyghurs.
and screw tibet.
honestly.
the one thing they have in common, is that independent they would be two huge, barely populated countries, with intense poverty.
I care about both the Tibetans AND the Uyghurs. And all the other people who are being oppressed around the world. Why must we prioritise humanity? Is it not possible to care about everyone?
for me, no, not everyone at once anyway. there are too many, with specific needs and demands, and many demands overlap.
independence is a very tricky issue, and china isnt the only country that consists of several cultures melded together.
india is just one example of tons of cultures inside one country, and at least one separatist movement for each of them.
just too much. instead of picking one favorite, i just stay clear. nothing i can do anyway :/
henriksson: you and your tuvans. how many are they anyway? 5000?
20 Mar 2009, 7:25 pm
No ryuven, that is NOT good sense, that is pretty much saying that anyone outside america isn't worth anything.
Wake up. The world does not revolve around the united states. Things are different now. The world is becoming a smaller place, and people need to learn that things go beyond their own borders. And i suppose you don't care about the millions of people who were slaughtered in sudan either, because they weren't american
That said, someone needs to stand up to china, they've been a pain in the butt for the whole world for too long now. While i think an actual war is a bad idea, the rest of the world can't afford to let china push everyone around anymore. A full trade embargo perhaps? China loses its exports, its whole industry could crumble. Could even be good for a lot of other countries, get their industry going since the cheap chinese goods would be gone.
20 Mar 2009, 7:33 pm
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21 Mar 2009, 12:05 am
why this constant priority for the tibetans?
is it because tibetans are cooler, being buddhists, while the uyghurs are just simple muslims?
i know the answer tho, and its this:
the tibet issue has media coverage.
uyghuristan does not.
uyghuristan has even been repeatedly nuked by china, as part of tests. still nobody gives a sh**.
and in case you still dont get what im talking about, the uyghurs are the northern part, above tibet, with a independence struggle as long as the tibetans.
screw the uyghurs.
and screw tibet.
honestly.
the one thing they have in common, is that independent they would be two huge, barely populated countries, with intense poverty.
Well, I figure there are a handful of reasons why no one gives a crap about the Uyghurs:
1) Lack of a charismatic leader
2) They're Muslims
3) They lack the kind of star brand tradition and history that the Tibetans have
4) They're Muslims
5) Chinese demographic warfare is practically complete in Xinjiang, which is now nearly as Han as it is Uyghur.
pretty spot on.
you forgot 6) They're Muslims/nobody wants another "-stan"
also correct about the "hanification", that happens in a very organized and "targeted" manner.
even during these olympics, they tried to grasp the oportunity get heard, but as usual, the tibet issue completely overshadowed them. in my opinion, theyre both lost causes. china is a #1 power, nobody's gonna do any REAL effort at pushing china for tibetan OR uyghur independence. not a single country will do anything more than to have celebs meet with dalai lama for televised chats. china has nothing to worry about.
21 Mar 2009, 1:16 am
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