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Do you believe that they're spraying us?
Yes 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
No 73%  73%  [ 8 ]
Don't know 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Don't care 9%  9%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 11

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22 Mar 2009, 5:49 am

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Not all contrails disperse immediately, again, it varies wildly with atmospheric conditions (wind speed, temperature, humidity, etc.)

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding


I also have watched a normal contrail by a jet passing the ones who's spraying. Same atmospheric conditions. You bet I will tape that some day. And for the fuel issue, jet fuel is jet fuel, I seriously doubt that they have different fuel types :D


There are different fuel type, there are several additives that can be put in to make the process cleaner/more efficient. Also, the ratios of chemicals put in are never going to be exactly the same between each jet, so the output chemicals can change greatly depending on the input chemicals and the reaction process itself (different engines will put out different chemicals, even with the same input chemicals). You'd be amazed by what a little difference in the intake air or the reactor (engine) temperature/pressure can do (Chemical Reactor Engineering was one of my favorite courses).


Well, in that case, if it's done to make it cleaner, the jet contrail should even be shorter than normal, not cover the sky with clouds :D


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22 Mar 2009, 5:52 am

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Well, in that case, if it's done to make it cleaner, the jet contrail should even be shorter than normal, not cover the sky with clouds :D


Not if the additives cause there to be a higher concentration of water in the output (and therefore creating the seen clouds).



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22 Mar 2009, 5:56 am

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I forgot to mention that I counted 25-30 jets in the sky in just a couple of hours. That's not normal either. The little spot I see of the sky from my house, will on a saturday normally count 6-8 planes for the whole day


If that's the case, it could very well be cloud seeding, especially with the lack of natural rainfall many areas are now experiencing.


So, you admit they are spraying? To get rain? That's what I said, they manipulate the weather for various reasons. I know they have the tech to do so. And then I wonder, why don't they do so when lack of rain get catastrophic proportions? Africa could be the new garden of eden.


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22 Mar 2009, 6:01 am

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I forgot to mention that I counted 25-30 jets in the sky in just a couple of hours. That's not normal either. The little spot I see of the sky from my house, will on a saturday normally count 6-8 planes for the whole day


If that's the case, it could very well be cloud seeding, especially with the lack of natural rainfall many areas are now experiencing.


So, you admit they are spraying? To get rain? That's what I said, they manipulate the weather for various reasons. I know they have the tech to do so. And then I wonder, why don't they do so when lack of rain get catastrophic proportions? Africa could be the new garden of eden.


Ahh, generally, when one says "chemtrail", they're talking about the gubbament "covertly" spraying out mind control chemicals to enslave the populace.

Seeding works by forcing up the dew point of the water already in the air or something similar, causing the water vapor to form droplets and fall as rain. It isn't actually putting water into the air . So a place like Africa, where it's very dry, cloud seeding would just be an exercise in futility.



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22 Mar 2009, 6:21 am

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Besides, I don't think you will be convinced, no matter what evidence anyone can produce


To be honest I have never witnessed this phenomenon. If I do I would hope that I will not jump to conclusions just to fill the gaps in my knowledge of the event. To your credit you are only really claiming that what you have witnessed is suspicious. With regard to the weather change, it would be a good start to record the forecasts each day and the eventuating weather to see if there is any correlation with aeroplane activity.


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22 Mar 2009, 6:27 am

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Besides, I don't think you will be convinced, no matter what evidence anyone can produce


To be honest I have never witnessed this phenomenon. If I do I would hope that I will not jump to conclusions just to fill the gaps in my knowledge of the event. To your credit you are only really claiming that what you have witnessed is suspicious. With regard to the weather change, it would be a good start to record the forecasts each day and the eventuating weather to see if there is any correlation with aeroplane activity.


Hm, yes I'll think about that. I have also noticed a lot of fantastic theories about chemtrails, so I understand your position in this matter :D


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22 Mar 2009, 6:33 am

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I forgot to mention that I counted 25-30 jets in the sky in just a couple of hours. That's not normal either. The little spot I see of the sky from my house, will on a saturday normally count 6-8 planes for the whole day


If that's the case, it could very well be cloud seeding, especially with the lack of natural rainfall many areas are now experiencing.


So, you admit they are spraying? To get rain? That's what I said, they manipulate the weather for various reasons. I know they have the tech to do so. And then I wonder, why don't they do so when lack of rain get catastrophic proportions? Africa could be the new garden of eden.


Ahh, generally, when one says "chemtrail", they're talking about the gubbament "covertly" spraying out mind control chemicals to enslave the populace.

Seeding works by forcing up the dew point of the water already in the air or something similar, causing the water vapor to form droplets and fall as rain. It isn't actually putting water into the air . So a place like Africa, where it's very dry, cloud seeding would just be an exercise in futility.


In that case there's no need for clouds seeding here either, we have more than enough rain and snow.
The only reason I can think of is that they will set records. They want to show records of extreme weather conditions, to support their own holy case of climate change and extreme weather. The reason is global taxation on carbon


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22 Mar 2009, 8:12 am

I enjoy seeing this topic again. Maybe this time it can be discussed without anyone being mean. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought existing clouds were seeded to create weather change, not clouds are created. There are some existing clouds in your video, but I do not know enough about cloud seeding to know if these are the type of cloud suitable for seeding. Your poll does imply your question might be more than a question of weather control, since it does not ask if they are seeding the clouds but rather if they are spraying us. I did not vote on the poll. It is missing the option...Who are they? :D



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22 Mar 2009, 8:30 am

ah well, for me motiff is the key. if you'd manage to convince me that someone has a good reason to do it and that the costs are exceeded by the potential gains, I might just think there is something more to it.


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22 Mar 2009, 11:06 am

Has anyone - any reliable person, that is - ever analyzed the contents of these so-called "chemtrails"?

No guesses, no assumptions, no convoluted theories - analysis. If no one can reliably and repeatably prove the composition of these"chemtrails," then the swift application of Occam's Razor supported the simplest default. The is, the "chemtrails" are composed of water vapor, carbon dioxide, soot, and other normal products of carbon-fuel combustion.

Only this, and nothing more.


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22 Mar 2009, 12:16 pm

claire333 wrote:
I enjoy seeing this topic again. Maybe this time it can be discussed without anyone being mean. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought existing clouds were seeded to create weather change, not clouds are created. There are some existing clouds in your video, but I do not know enough about cloud seeding to know if these are the type of cloud suitable for seeding. Your poll does imply your question might be more than a question of weather control, since it does not ask if they are seeding the clouds but rather if they are spraying us. I did not vote on the poll. It is missing the option...Who are they? :D


The clouds seen on the horizon was not there when it all started. The weather was clear and no clouds came in from the ocean. Off cause I can't prove it but I think it's weather control and not only for good purposes. Seem to me that there is an urge for governments to talk about extreme weather and climate changes. So in order to produce some facts they create the weather conditions. They are the global elite politicians.


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22 Mar 2009, 12:26 pm

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ah well, for me motiff is the key. if you'd manage to convince me that someone has a good reason to do it and that the costs are exceeded by the potential gains, I might just think there is something more to it.


I was thinking that to, before I started to notice weather changes, from clear blue sky to pouring rain in a couple of hours. And prior to that, heavy jet traffic covering the sky with clouds.
To be able to control and create weather conditions seem to me a very good motive


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