What if all your beliefs were false?

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25 Mar 2009, 10:19 am

ruveyn wrote:

Atomsk wrote:

What if your religious beliefs were UNDENIABLY proven false.

Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, that this were possible.

Discuss.

About the same as finding out Santa does not exist and the Tooth Fairy is mom or dad leaving some money under the pillow. No big deal.

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26 Mar 2009, 10:00 am

Well, if I was forced to choose a new religion (including No-God and Maybe-God as religions), I'd start worshiping Thor.

I think that if worshiping Jesus was proven to be wrong, I'd totally go for the Norse god of war. I'd get a sweet hat, way better than the pope's, and I'd get to grow a beard and kill people with axes.

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26 Mar 2009, 12:23 pm

zerooftheday wrote:

I'd totally go for the Norse god of war... and kill people with axes.

Or if you were the former president you would be the god of war and kill people with taxes.

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26 Mar 2009, 7:57 pm

Uhh, he kinda lowered taxes, mostly on the rich. Which is totally fine by me, because I hope to be really rich one day, and once I'm there, I intend to have control of where most of it goes. I probably won't keep it, I'm just not interested in a nine-figure bank account.

I've found from talking with people that favor heavily taxing the rich that most of the them have this fatalistic attitude that they'll never be successful or rich. They've given up on success, and out of spite or jealousy have decided to punish the successful. That or they have a pathetic sense of entitlement to things they haven't earned on their own.

And since most jobs I've held have mostly consisted of working for big corporations, I'm all for people wanting to create big corporations to make lots of money.

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26 Mar 2009, 8:59 pm

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I've found from talking with people that favor heavily taxing the rich that most of the them have this fatalistic attitude that they'll never be successful or rich. They've given up on success, and out of spite or jealousy have decided to punish the successful. That or they have a pathetic sense of entitlement to things they haven't earned on their own.

twoshots wants to punish the "successful"* because they're stupid enough to think that the above is the relevant way to think about progressive taxing.

*twoshots doesn't really want to punish the "successful", but it was a useful rhetorical device.

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26 Mar 2009, 9:03 pm

Why is progressive taxing such a great idea? What gives anyone the right to take more from one person than another? If they can simply afford it, is it just for you to take it?

If you have an empty room in your house, should the gov't force you to house a homeless man? If you have more cars than people who *need* to drive to work, should the gov't force you to loan one to a man without a car? If you have more food than you need, should the gov't force you to feed someone? Where does it end?

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26 Mar 2009, 9:31 pm

zerooftheday wrote:

Well, it is considered a good idea due to the proposed idea of the diminishing marginal utility of each dollar. The rich, given that they make a lot of money, well above what they technically need to live, are often considered unlikely to value 10% of their income as much as a poor person would.

What gives the government the right to tax at all?

Ok, "Where does it end?", how can just taxation exist? What makes one tax scheme more just than another? What roles are justly taken by the US government? Why are those rules just? How can a government be just?

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26 Mar 2009, 9:48 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Orwell wrote:

I suppose I'd start looking for new beliefs.

No you wouldn't! You are a zealot, Orwell! A fighter for your cause beyond the bounds of all sense! You would destroy the very notion of truth. Just stab it with hacking stabbiness until it died. That's what you'd do. Yes, yes indeed!