Page 2 of 4 [ 55 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

scorpileo
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Mar 2009
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 764
Location: cornwall uk

11 May 2009, 7:02 am

the point of living (IMO) is to colect a store of experiences and Knollege to be used by a higher power, which is why even after many attempts to destroy itself humanity is still standing.


_________________
existence is your only oblitgation
Quietly fighting for the greater good.


Henriksson
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Nov 2008
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,534
Location: Sweden

11 May 2009, 7:38 am

scorpileo wrote:
the point of living (IMO) is to colect a store of experiences and Knollege to be used by a higher power, which is why even after many attempts to destroy itself humanity is still standing.

Yeah, of course, there is really no other logical explanation. :roll:

(Sorry, but I'm somewhat amused over people's exagerration of how easy it is to destroy humanity.)


_________________
"Purity is for drinking water, not people" - Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


ZEGH8578
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,532

11 May 2009, 8:56 am

Henriksson wrote:
scorpileo wrote:
the point of living (IMO) is to colect a store of experiences and Knollege to be used by a higher power, which is why even after many attempts to destroy itself humanity is still standing.

Yeah, of course, there is really no other logical explanation. :roll:

(Sorry, but I'm somewhat amused over people's exagerration of how easy it is to destroy humanity.)


humanity boggles people, cus we're aware of ourselves as both individuals and as a species.

thats why we often think of ourselves as special, as in "meant to gather all knowledge" "meant to" do something or other.

we're only meant to live untill we die.

oh and as for destroying humanity, if we go by pure maths, i think it should be about as easy as to destroy mosquito-nity.


_________________
''In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center.''


scorpileo
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Mar 2009
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 764
Location: cornwall uk

11 May 2009, 9:42 am

Henriksson wrote:
scorpileo wrote:
the point of living (IMO) is to colect a store of experiences and Knollege to be used by a higher power, which is why even after many attempts to destroy itself humanity is still standing.

Yeah, of course, there is really no other logical explanation. :roll:

(Sorry, but I'm somewhat amused over people's exagerration of how easy it is to destroy humanity.)


(sigh) Ok humanity may not be easy to destroy but people in the past have had a good go at it... and it may not be the only logical reason but It's the one I've came to.


_________________
existence is your only oblitgation
Quietly fighting for the greater good.


ardea_rising
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2009
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 59
Location: The Grim North

11 May 2009, 11:41 pm

I think we are just a novel and complex vessel for bacteria, a port for virusses to park up and duplicate, a tool for the evolution of parasites.



Sand
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Age: 100
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,484
Location: Finland

12 May 2009, 12:14 am

ardea_rising wrote:
I think we are just a novel and complex vessel for bacteria, a port for virusses to park up and duplicate, a tool for the evolution of parasites.


All life forms serve many diverse functions. To demand that one function is prime is to elevate some activity idiotically. Perhaps God created humanity to see to it that peanut butter and jelly sandwiches came into existence.



ZEGH8578
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,532

12 May 2009, 10:23 am

scorpileo wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
scorpileo wrote:
the point of living (IMO) is to colect a store of experiences and Knollege to be used by a higher power, which is why even after many attempts to destroy itself humanity is still standing.

Yeah, of course, there is really no other logical explanation. :roll:

(Sorry, but I'm somewhat amused over people's exagerration of how easy it is to destroy humanity.)


(sigh) Ok humanity may not be easy to destroy but people in the past have had a good go at it... and it may not be the only logical reason but It's the one I've came to.


no human has ever tried to destroy humanity. even hitler imagined europe for germanic people - in other words, he sought to save large portions of humanity.

also, no death toll inflicted by humans, has ever been very significant, compared to our total population.
since ww2 our entire population has only multiplied, and thas the highest number of deaths inflicted by fellow humans.


_________________
''In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center.''


ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 89
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

12 May 2009, 1:28 pm

ardea_rising wrote:
I think we are just a novel and complex vessel for bacteria, a port for virusses to park up and duplicate, a tool for the evolution of parasites.


A chicken is an egg's way of producing other eggs.

ruveyn



Sand
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Age: 100
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,484
Location: Finland

12 May 2009, 2:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ardea_rising wrote:
I think we are just a novel and complex vessel for bacteria, a port for virusses to park up and duplicate, a tool for the evolution of parasites.


A chicken is an egg's way of producing other eggs.

ruveyn


Or, perhaps, an egg is a chickens way of enslaving thousands of humans to produce more chickens.



ZEGH8578
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,532

12 May 2009, 3:09 pm

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
ardea_rising wrote:
I think we are just a novel and complex vessel for bacteria, a port for virusses to park up and duplicate, a tool for the evolution of parasites.


A chicken is an egg's way of producing other eggs.

ruveyn


Or, perhaps, an egg is a chickens way of enslaving thousands of humans to produce more chickens.


its there simply for the purpose of the "chicken or the egg" riddle.

which i have solved btw:
the fetus develops before the shell.
the shell defines the egg, otherwise its just a fetus.
the fetus belongs to the species of the chicken.

the chicken came first.

:roll:


_________________
''In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center.''


Henriksson
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Nov 2008
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,534
Location: Sweden

12 May 2009, 4:04 pm

ardea_rising wrote:
I think we are just a novel and complex vessel for bacteria, a port for virusses to park up and duplicate, a tool for the evolution of parasites.

That's a bit like saying a beaver's purpose is to build dams.


_________________
"Purity is for drinking water, not people" - Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


oppositedirection
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 515

12 May 2009, 6:05 pm

Asking what our purpose is makes as much sense as asking what the purpose of an electron is, or the purpose of the sun or the universe. You could say the sun's purpose is to give out light and heat but I don't buy it, the sun merely exists and a by product of its existence is light and heat. Same with humans, we existed due to purely contingent facts (stars forming, suns forming planets, basic life occuring, basic life evolving, ect). The fact we developed society, culture, ideas, religions and indeed the ability to ask the question "what is our purpose" is purely incidental, merely one of many potential by products of our existence. It makes no more sense to ask questions about the purpose of everything we have created than a star in relation to the light and heat it puts out. You could ask it as a scientific question (resulting in astronomy for the star, psychology, sociology and anthropology for us) but that is purely descriptive, describing relational properties, it provides no explanation of any deeper meaning.

If seeking deeper meanings, consider that purpose is an intential state based upon consciousness and the universe cannot have intensions as it has no consciousness. So unless you posit a God, it's only ever going to be purpose from our intensional perpective, which might sound meanful given that the word purpose has important uses in everyday English, but simply is not relevant on an non-intensional universe which lead to our existence. Purpose is just not a defendable term when used outside everyday English, such as asking these questions :?



Last edited by oppositedirection on 12 May 2009, 6:21 pm, edited 4 times in total.

ZEGH8578
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,532

12 May 2009, 6:13 pm

oppositedirection wrote:
Asking what our purpose is makes as much sense as asking what the purpose of an electron is, or the purpose of the sun or the universe. You could say the sun's purpose is to give out light and heat but I don't buy it, the sun merely exists and a by product of its existence is light and heat. Same with humans, we existed due to purely contingent facts (stars forming, suns forming planets, basic life occuring, basic life evolving, ect). The fact we developed society, culture, ideas, religions and indeed the ability to ask the question "what is our purpose" is purely incidental, merely one of many potential by products of our existence. It makes no more sense to ask questions about the purpose of everything we have created than a star in relation to the light and heat it puts out. You could ask it as a scientific question (resulting in astronomy for the star, psychology, sociology and anthropology for us) but that is purely descriptive, describing relational properties, it provides no explanation of any deeper meaning.

If seeking deeper meanings, consider that purpose is an intential state based upon consciousness and the universe cannot have intensions. So unless you posit a God, it's only ever going to be purpose from our intensional perpective, which might sound meanful given that the word purpose has important uses in everyday English, but simply is not relevant on an non-intensional universe. Probably :?


thats two hi-5's from me in one day!! !
damn i like this forum!

like when people go "whats the meaning of life?"

well first of all, "meaning" has no f'ing meaning, the word came to be sometime after the human species "spiritual revolition" some 150-175 thousand years back (or so i would assume). point is, "meaning" is a biologically new term. life existed before the word. so... the question pretty much falls dead to the ground right there :D


_________________
''In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center.''


claire-333
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,658

12 May 2009, 6:15 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
its there simply for the purpose of the "chicken or the egg" riddle.
That one is easy to answer. If you are a creationist, the chicken came first. If you are an evolutionist, then the egg.



ZEGH8578
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,532

12 May 2009, 6:16 pm

claire333 wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
its there simply for the purpose of the "chicken or the egg" riddle.
That one is easy to answer. If you are a creationist, the chicken came first. If you are an evolutionist, then the egg.


:S
not really

im an atheist, and i say chicken, as i explained above. the fetus comes before the shell. its a matter of chronology ;)


_________________
''In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center.''


claire-333
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,658

12 May 2009, 6:22 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
:S
not really

im an atheist, and i say chicken, as i explained above. the fetus comes before the shell. its a matter of chronology ;)
The question is not, 'Which came first, the chicken fetus or the shell?' :lol: