The end of Obamacare?

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Actually living in the city is much harder than living in a small town if you're poor. You have to get up much earlier for work because you have a long ass stressful commute. Plus you're unlikely to be able to even survive on minimum wage because the price of everything is so much higher (not to mention you have to pay big $$$ just for fricking parking). Plus, if you're single, living without a roommate is going to be out of your price range in terms of rent. I know I simply cannot tolerate the stress of living with a roommate. I absolutely need my privacy. Living in the city without money sucks no matter how you cut it. City folks are NOT lazy. It takes stamina and tolerance for stress that I don't have.

And how does that justify generalizing every district/state that votes republican?

I'm from the Midwest. It's a s**thole.


The "uneducated" was not in reference to all small-town residents, it was a reference to a part of the right-wing mythos of what constitutes a "true American." Their picture of "real Americans" does not include people with advanced degrees.


You are lying again. Feel free to quote me any time I have ever denied being an elitist. I have rejected your classification of me as a "liberal" for being way too simplistic, and nothing I have said in this thread "proves" that I am a liberal.

Anyways, back to the original point: the Republican-dominated areas of the country are mostly unpopulated. The simple electoral map showing red states and blue states gives an extremely misleading picture of the relative levels of support for Republicans and Democrats. Scale it by population, and you see a lot more blue.

Ickorack, stop being a filthy hypocrite. If you want to attack Marshall or me for generalizing red states, why do you ignore Inuyasha generalizing urban areas and blue states?

Because You criticize him for his generalizations, and you do well enough I think. I'm from the Midwest as well orwell and it most definitely is not a s**thole, or at least Kansas isn't overall a s**thole. and I do argue with inuyasha I just don't see any point in repeating criticism that he has already been said well enough. Your generalizations are targeted at my home, I think it is fairly clear why I am targeting your generalizations.

EDIT: Even if you do talk down to him like a jerkass most(if not all) of the time.
EDIT: And I have never encountered anti-intellectualism in my state, or in my schools, nor have i encountered hate against a college education, it is strongly encouraged both in the small towns(in the SE region) and in cities like wichita, topeka, and kansas city. The west mostly just encourages agricultural degrees, but never do they go against education on some imagined right wing principle.

Will, this all started because I got fed up with Inuyasha repeating the common mantra that only conservatives are "real Americans". I'm sick to death of right-wing jingoistic BS. They did the same f*****g thing during the Bush admin., wrapping themselves in the flag and telling everyone who disagrees they are "un-American". I'm sorry Inuyasha, but you're not going to get liberals to leave the country without shooting us all in the head. We're just as "American" as you are. To infer otherwise is beyond arrogant.

I don't see how his(or the rights) behavior could ever justify your(or orwell's) behavior or vice versa.

Back to topic, here is the kicker if Obamacare is in fact unconstitutional due to the individual mandate, then the supposed uneducated masses apparently know more about the concept of limited government than the educated elite.

Government is not allowed to tell people to buy specific products just because you are breathing.

But they can tax us, just because we are breathing.

ruveyn

I've tried having respectful conversations with Inuyasha before. At a certian point I just get sick of the indescribable idiocy.


Yeah, you are almost certainly lying here. There are plenty of creationists in Kansas. There are plenty of anti-GMO folks, anti-stem cell people, and other Luddites. And the fake populism and crap about "common sense" is its own form of anti-intellectualism.

Question to Reuvyn:

Given your knowledge about the current healthcare law, do you have an opinion on whether or not it will eventually cost the taxpayers more, if the current healthcare law is ruled unconstitutional along with the individual mandate, and a conservative plan is put into effect with the same benefits for coverage?

I know very little about a law that is 2000 pages long. I can tall you this. If it is somehow put into effect, withing five years health care will be strictly rationed because otherwise we will go broke trying to maintain the system.

Look at Canada and Britain. Health care is rationed. If you are not at death's door you have to wait your turn.

ruveyn

try harder? EDIT: Self control is something expected from adults here. As well as mutual respect that is at least on the surface.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Believing in a creator is not showing hostility towards intellectuals. No one attempts to force another to conform the their views, life choices are respected as personal choices, and the only argument about them is voluntarily.

Even if they do disagree with each other violence based on idealogical and religious differences largely disappears outside of middles schools.

That whole common sense thing does exist here buts its crosses political boundaries, and it doesn't interfere with intellectual discourse, they are ignored and this sits just fine with them.(You see their views don't interfere with the opportunities of others to develop themselves.)

The Anti-stem cell people protest as is their right, and we do have violence which pops up related to abortion issues, but I have not seen active encouragement of that kind of behavior.

Most of our Anti-gmo people are health nuts and paranoid liberals(obviously not saying all liberals are paranoid), even then they are a far minority I think Wichita had like two organic stores, most just don't care as long as they can eat.(Also sometimes farmers dislike them strongly can't remember why.)

I will take rationing any day over no access to healthcare at all.

The problem with our system is the fact that there is no incentive for preventive care. People who can't afford insurance and are ineligible for medicaid simply wait until they have a crisis. Then they end up in the ER with a $50,000 bill which they simply refuse to pay. Of course hospitals have to generate revenue to cover costs so they are forced to jack the prices even higher to cover all the non-paying people, which leads to increasing premiums on those who have insurance, which in turn leads to more people dropping their insurance and becoming vulnerable. It's a cycle that leads to higher and higher prices for those who do pay and less and less people being covered by insurance.

The only "free-market" solution to this dilemma is to deny treatment to people who can't pay up front. The social darwinist model. Are republicans willing to support this?

I don't know, but it sounds like a damned good idea to me.

Pay or die. I like that. It has a kind of elegance and simplicity. Don't you think so?

ruveyn

The health care system here has saved many of my family members lives. My family is not rich. They didn't have to wait a long time and they were not at deaths door, one case being the exception. I tend to think that denying health-care has any benefits is refuting people's rights to dignity. Mixing medicine and business is one of the worst things that has ever occurred in human history, though there are still private clinics here as far as I know. So long as the main motive for healing people remains profit I can't see the American system as being in the interests of the American people. Doctors don't need to make a million dollars year. The real issue here is greed not tax payers or socialism