24 Feb 2011, 6:55 pm
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Maybe to someone paranoid.
Or maybe just to someone who has been insulted by you across three different threads, with everything from my "inner belief" system, my parenting skills and even my neurology brought into it. Clearly you excel at taking cheap shots.
Me, I like to call a spade a spade, but there are some things you just can't say on this forum.
Thats rich coming from you.
Well you can't call a spade a spade cause people will be offended
Oh. Have I insulted your capability in understanding a post because of your neurology at some point? Have I mocked your parenting skills somewhere in a thread? Have I said that you don't even actually believe in the things you choose to debate? No.
What I did do was prove you conclusively wrong in a thread, (Even more conclusively now if you actually monitor the papers on a daily basis, as I do.) ,and suggested you are of the type who "reads the mail." (A suggestion brought into sharp relief when you tried to reinforce your points with Mail-based articles, and reinforced even more by the nature of other threads you have started. Put together, they read like the Mail Website index. Gay Marriages are Bad, Criminals should have no rights, Muslims are evil.....)
You're a spade.
You used your kids to insult me.
Yeah, maybe the papers you read. The views you state could come straight from the Daily Mirror or any left wing paper. And if you actually read the thread, this one. I haven't really said gay marriages are bad, I said they shouldn't be allowed in church that is against it. I haven't said Muslims are evil, I said they shouldn't be able to dictate our way of living. Criminals losing their rights is just basic common sense. Typical lefty, they place anyone with an opinion further right than their's as a facist and racist.
Tell that to the people arrested for shoplifting in Weimar Germany during massive inflation, just to feed their families, who were branded asocial degenerates and shipped to concentration camps straight from release from prison. Go post it on the Amnesty International website. Tell it to the sorry bastards rotting in jail-cells around the world with no recourse left because they have no "rights". If we remove prisoners every right, that leaves the door open for prison officers to simply do whatever they like to their wards, to abuse or even kill. I'm sure all those people doing 18 months for non-payment of council tax would disagree with you for a start. It is in no way "common sense".
I don't think you're a fascist or a racist. I think you're a blind man who can only think in boxes. "Lefty", "Righty". Twat.
And tell Holly and Jessica's that you want Huntley to get a vote, so prisoner's can have the same rights as everyone else. For a start, i'm talking about our country, England. Not Germany! Well obviously its the law that needs changing in a case like that, 18 months for not paying council tax-a slap on the wrists for mowing someone down when you shouldn't be on the road. Obviously our justice system is a mess.
You still continue to be a huge hypocrite. Politics is like that, especially in the media. Like a left wing paper will just go against anything the Torries do, and a right wing paper will go against anything Labour do, they can't just agree with them on that one thing. You're a lot like that.
I've never once disagreed with you that our justice system is a mess. It IS a f***ing mess, and there is huge disparity between sentencing and crime. But that isn't going to be solved by reducing prisoners rights. A prisoner with no rights is about on a par with Fritzl's daughters or a political prisoner in a dictatorship.
What do you not understand about an example of a regime that reduced the rights of prisoners to virtually zero, and how singularly unpleasant it was?
Would it surprise you that I actually agree with some Tory policies? That I thought some Labour policies were good too? What I have an issue with is the fact that both sides of that divide also insist on making ridiculous policy decisions that bollocks up the rest of their policies.
Well I think it would help by reducing some of their rights, they should be doing physical activities or learning things the old fashioned way, rather than having an x-box to play with. I didn't say they should have no rights, but giving them the vote will do sod all to improve the justice system.
I understand that, but thats Germany, and this is England. Some countries prisoners do need to be treated better, but ours don't.
No not really, I just don't get it why you seem to disagree with things just for the sake of it.
24 Feb 2011, 7:04 pm
murphycop wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Maybe to someone paranoid.
Or maybe just to someone who has been insulted by you across three different threads, with everything from my "inner belief" system, my parenting skills and even my neurology brought into it. Clearly you excel at taking cheap shots.
Me, I like to call a spade a spade, but there are some things you just can't say on this forum.
Thats rich coming from you.
Well you can't call a spade a spade cause people will be offended
Oh. Have I insulted your capability in understanding a post because of your neurology at some point? Have I mocked your parenting skills somewhere in a thread? Have I said that you don't even actually believe in the things you choose to debate? No.
What I did do was prove you conclusively wrong in a thread, (Even more conclusively now if you actually monitor the papers on a daily basis, as I do.) ,and suggested you are of the type who "reads the mail." (A suggestion brought into sharp relief when you tried to reinforce your points with Mail-based articles, and reinforced even more by the nature of other threads you have started. Put together, they read like the Mail Website index. Gay Marriages are Bad, Criminals should have no rights, Muslims are evil.....)
You're a spade.
You used your kids to insult me.
Yeah, maybe the papers you read. The views you state could come straight from the Daily Mirror or any left wing paper. And if you actually read the thread, this one. I haven't really said gay marriages are bad, I said they shouldn't be allowed in church that is against it. I haven't said Muslims are evil, I said they shouldn't be able to dictate our way of living. Criminals losing their rights is just basic common sense. Typical lefty, they place anyone with an opinion further right than their's as a facist and racist.
Tell that to the people arrested for shoplifting in Weimar Germany during massive inflation, just to feed their families, who were branded asocial degenerates and shipped to concentration camps straight from release from prison. Go post it on the Amnesty International website. Tell it to the sorry bastards rotting in jail-cells around the world with no recourse left because they have no "rights". If we remove prisoners every right, that leaves the door open for prison officers to simply do whatever they like to their wards, to abuse or even kill. I'm sure all those people doing 18 months for non-payment of council tax would disagree with you for a start. It is in no way "common sense".
I don't think you're a fascist or a racist. I think you're a blind man who can only think in boxes. "Lefty", "Righty". Twat.
And tell Holly and Jessica's that you want Huntley to get a vote, so prisoner's can have the same rights as everyone else. For a start, i'm talking about our country, England. Not Germany! Well obviously its the law that needs changing in a case like that, 18 months for not paying council tax-a slap on the wrists for mowing someone down when you shouldn't be on the road. Obviously our justice system is a mess.
You still continue to be a huge hypocrite. Politics is like that, especially in the media. Like a left wing paper will just go against anything the Torries do, and a right wing paper will go against anything Labour do, they can't just agree with them on that one thing. You're a lot like that.
I've never once disagreed with you that our justice system is a mess. It IS a f***ing mess, and there is huge disparity between sentencing and crime. But that isn't going to be solved by reducing prisoners rights. A prisoner with no rights is about on a par with Fritzl's daughters or a political prisoner in a dictatorship.
What do you not understand about an example of a regime that reduced the rights of prisoners to virtually zero, and how singularly unpleasant it was?
Would it surprise you that I actually agree with some Tory policies? That I thought some Labour policies were good too? What I have an issue with is the fact that both sides of that divide also insist on making ridiculous policy decisions that bollocks up the rest of their policies.
Well I think it would help by reducing some of their rights, they should be doing physical activities or learning things the old fashioned way, rather than having an x-box to play with. I didn't say they should have no rights, but giving them the vote will do sod all to improve the justice system.
I understand that, but thats Germany, and this is England. Some countries prisoners do need to be treated better, but ours don't.
No not really, I just don't get it why you seem to disagree with things just for the sake of it.
Ah, so you think that we should follow the American system of allowing cons to pump iron until they can unscrew your head without breaking a sweat? Are you aware that plenty of prisoners pass exams and gain qualifications from inside already? Have you ever been "inside" in any respect? As prisoner or staff?
24 Feb 2011, 7:25 pm
a lot of the prisoners do lots of weights anyway, out of choice. My friend went to visit his friend in prison recently, I won't repeat what he said. I know more about prison through people i've mixed with, than you've learnt from wikpedia. Where did I say that prisoners haven't gained qualifications. Its pretty pointless attempting to communicate with you. You can't have a discussion without you getting paranoid, jumping the gun and questioning my own experiences, in a manner of point scoring. I'm done wasting time and energy with a lost cause. Act your age.
24 Feb 2011, 7:34 pm
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26 Feb 2011, 9:15 pm
AlSwearengen wrote:
Oh prison and the fit tough prisoners pumping weights and mentally alert and so on?
That is one depiction.
Here is another. I encourage you to read it.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.ph ... _id=136858
if this doesn't kill every criminally deviant bone in anyone's body, I don't know what will.
That is one depiction.
Here is another. I encourage you to read it.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.ph ... _id=136858
if this doesn't kill every criminally deviant bone in anyone's body, I don't know what will.
leejosepho
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26 Feb 2011, 9:18 pm
murphycop wrote:
AlSwearengen wrote:
Oh prison and the fit tough prisoners pumping weights and mentally alert and so on?
That is one depiction.
Here is another. I encourage you to read it.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.ph ... _id=136858
if this doesn't kill every criminally deviant bone in anyone's body, I don't know what will.
That is one depiction.
Here is another. I encourage you to read it.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.ph ... _id=136858
if this doesn't kill every criminally deviant bone in anyone's body, I don't know what will.
He is saying the ugliness of the reality of prison life should be sufficient to make anyone do anything they can to never have to ever go there.
26 Feb 2011, 9:52 pm
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28 Feb 2011, 1:21 pm
murphycop wrote:
I'm being sarcastic.
Being sarcastic on an Aspie board.
Seems to me that that is a simple recipe for misunderstanding.
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