Facts about racism

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There's nothing wrong for being prideful about where you come from. That said, non-whites for far too long hadn't been allowed to express such pride in their ethnicity. And I do believe you that you're not a racist, but you should know that the white pride movement is one in the same with white supremacy, and their goal is purely reactionary, to roll back any and all civil rights gains made by and for non-whites. For whites to express pride in their roots is best done, I think, with placing that pride in a particular nationality they are descended from, such as German, Irish, Jewish, Italian, etc.

I hadn't notice any anti-Semites at all, (((XFG))).

I see a lot of Aspies get themselves into trouble with this line of thought, since it isn't always obvious how treacherous the waters being waded into are, and as an individual going off personal experience and observation, it's very easy to innocently blunder into offensive sounding ideas about racial differences.

The fact remains, anyone stupid enough to consider me, or anyone else, a white supremacist for pointing out actual anti-white racism is an ignorant bigot. I'm not sure why you wish to be an advocate for stupidity, but hey, I respect your right to. Just don't expect me to ever agree or offer you support in your endeavour.



And yet they're the ones who are evidently showing restraint, despite being far more likely to be shot than an innocent, unarmed person of any flavour is by cops. They do a dangerous job that the overwhelming majority of people supporting BLM don't seem to have any appreciation for (in both logical applications of the word appreciation). Using cops as a lightning rod of resentment for every single problem faced by black communities in the USA is only ever going to breed further resentment and increase antagonism between black people and cops.



Right. It's got to the point where you can't discuss practical solutions without a bunch of self-righteous yahoos showing up with torches and pitchforks. And let me assure anyone who might dismiss that as rhetoric, I don't make that comparison lightly. Despite all the progress we've supposedly made since the 1690's, there are some people for whom there is nothing quite as satisfying as a good old-fashioned witch hunt. Just ask British astrophysicist Matt Taylor, who performed an incredible feat, and was immediately condemned and torn to pieces by the 'Court of Public Opinion' for wearing the wrong clothes.

I can't walk anywhere at night without worrying that I'm going to get mugged, raped or killed - just like the white woman down at our Walmart. Sounds like some privileges have been taken away. No one says anything about that - do they? Nope. Instead Walmart holds a vigil for the ass who did it. Explain that craziness.

A culture does not exclusive represent one race, the only difference between races is the color of their skin. They all have the same flaws in difference contexts, no one culture is right.

Not true. The oversimplification of the concept of race is a shorthand born of political expedience. There's a reason that (e.g.) Scots see themselves as separate from and different to the English. For a time in both British and American history, one of the more oppressed minority racial groups was the Irish.



Culture and race are not the same thing, though it might be possible to attribute certain sub-cultures or cultural behaviours to a specific racial source - such as kilt wearing or performing the Haka. There are also identifiable ethical differences between cultures. British culture, for example, does not support the cultural practice of enforcing hijab wearing that Iran has. Whilst Britain is largely tolerant of alternative cultures and respects the practice of wearing a hijab by those who choose to do so within its borders, Iran will imprison people of other cultures who choose to eschew the hijab within its own borders.

Well now you know that this is not my intent, so I'd appreciate it very much if you stopped insinuating that I believe crazy things which I never said, like that all blacks have genetic criminality.

The crime is due in high part to the disintegration of black families, which leads to a vicious cycle of poverty, instability and, for many young black men especially, crime, and ultimately death or worse. It is not racist cops, it's black parents who don't take care of their children.

I'm not saying all black parents are like this, and the ones I'm talking about are in many ways a product of the crap they were born into. But the cycle has to end somewhere, and it starts with black people taking responsibility for the well-being of their own community.

Way too many black children have no positive role models in their life, because their father is out committing crime or in prison himself, and the mother is simply unable to provide for or even control her kids. Many of these people should not be having children in the first place, but they do, and this is what happens.

I recently watched a documentary about a Chicago school for these kinds of children (which by the way has been defunded, so all these kids are out on the street now). This 14 year old boy had no father (in prison for life for murder), basically no mother either (she looked like she was probably on drugs constantly). His little sister was beaten to death. As a result, he got in fights constantly, didn't care about school, was smoking weed all the time, and was on basically the same path as his father. Do you think any amount of reparations or police reform can fix a situation like that?

it does not matter how innocently one stumbles into a mine field....they still get their legs blown off

And our sympathies should be with those who lose their legs, not those who indiscriminately plant mines.

well that is a mixed bag of sentiments you post.[/quote]

i am not sure what your stance is in relation to this thread because i do not read anyone elses (except for sweetleafs and dox's and nurseangela's and kraigchewers and i suppose kraftykorties)posts in this thread so i am not really sure what everyone's going on about (it is an american topic after all), but to me it sounds like you have gone off the rails in order to be somehow poignant or poetic maybe?

i thought dox said (in effect) it's easy for a naive person to innocently blunder when treading on the eggshells of topics where everyone is aroused with fervor and cocked with ready accusations to fire off.

i said it doesn't matter how innocent you are, if you tread on a sore nerve, people will react in a hostile way before they even consider anything. (like a bomb does)

i think you misinterpreted what i meant, but i may have misinterpreted what you interpreted my post to mean, so lets call the whole thing off. (the tomato tomato song thing)



anyway

You've not read my posts but you believe yourself adequately qualified to make the assessment that I've "gone off the rails" based on my adding a clause to your analogy?

I'd like to point out that the subject of the thread is "The modern definition of racism" and how it pertains to BLM. Perhaps you don't pay attention to what transpires in the UK either and you're ignorant of the fact that the movement is making plenty of noise here too. The problems discussed in Holmes' OP are not unique to the US. This is not "an american topic".



And the point of my response to your analogy is that those people who are reacting in a hostile manner - the mine-layers if you will - are at fault. The tender sensibilities of irrational people are not the responsibility of anyone but themselves.



You think wrong. There's a world of difference between misinterpretation and adding nuance or perspective to an opinion. So, yes, it seems apparent that you have misread my intentions.

oh look, you're just agonizing over rubbish mate. get over it. i couldn't care less.
flowery s**t most often goes to seed anyway so it's best to just keep walking by.

Once again, I have to ask, why are you here? You clearly don't care about the issues I'm bringing up, which is totally your prerogative. However, if it's just rubbish to you, why are you wasting your time posting here? Go sulk somewhere else.

I do believe what Holmes is saying is essentially correct. I concur with most of what he says. People have to take responsibility for their own lives, rather than blame "society."

But I do believe there is still subtle racism going on--which is difficult to prove through logical means (e.g., facts and figures). I see it with my own eyes. And I know people who have been a victim of it.

Still, these "victims" I know take responsibility for their own lives, and live successful lives despite the macrocosmic situation. They don't riot in the streets. They take care of their kids. They instill universally virtuous values.

i just could not be bothered formulating an answer for you. sorry. tomorrow is another day. your problems are more than 10,000 miles away from me so i am not very concerned i am sorry.