VEEP Debate--Who Won?

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I actually feel sorry for him for his dog dying. It's hard to lose a pet--and conservatives love their pets, too.

I had not heard of that. I don't wish that on anybody. I hope it doesn't make him even meaner.

It doesn't change my distaste for him because of his stance on women's health and on LGBTQI issues, but it does remind me that he is a human being with feelings and as I know what it's like to lose a beloved pet, it does get him some sympathy from me.

^^^you're a more sympathetic person than I am.

You can't really despise someone just because of their own beliefs since it doesn't dictate how kind or nice someone can be in person. Mother Theresa opposed abortion it doesn't mean she was a bad person as she spent her entire life championing the cause of helping those in need.

You misread "distaste" as "despise". I never used the word "despise"--that was your addition.

And in fact, if someone subscribes to beliefs that I am less human than them (because I am a woman or if I were gay or a PoC) that will dictate how they treat me, so it would indeed impact how "nice" they can be to me in person. Your beliefs about people (like if you are a racist who thinks you are better than people of other races) are entirely likely to effect how you treat other people.

Yes you can. I despise people who believe in national socialism. If someone believes that Hitler was right then I can absolutely despise them.

I resent anti-abortion/anti-gay hypocrites like sen. tom cotton who does $#!+ like tell gays they should be happy nobody has hung them, while at the same time [he was outed by Anonymous] being gay himself, belatedly admitting he was "ex-gay." what I would do on his tombstone would not pass for flowers.

But here is the thing is the thing even being a racist doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, the same person who is racist may give money to the poor and comfort their family. Its just that they may might be mislead to believe that those of another race, say Jews are evil and think of it as truth.

I probably misheard what you were saying but their is a reason why I was suspecting it. I heard you talking to the ABA therapist and it wasn't so much you debating the person it was ad hominem.

Yeah, so if I'm a jewish person and I meet them they are probably not going to be "nice" to me. It does impact how they treat people. I am aware that no one is 100% evil, but racist people having other good qualities doesn't mean I have to like them. I can still decide that racism even balanced with good qualities makes them not worth knowing. I don't need to be able to classify someone as 100% bad through and through to decide they are not worth my time.

Mike Pence may have loved his dog and I feel sorry for him losing a beloved pet, but I still don't like him as a person because of his actions as a politician, the policies he stands for and tries to implement. I can handle these nuances, not every autistic person is stuck in black-and-white all-or-nothing thinking.

As to what you added to your post after I initially responded: wut???

You don't have to like people I agree. But the thing is the intention of the anti-semetic person mistreating the Jewish person likely wouldn't have been done for cruelty's sake or because of some evil intent. But rather it would have been done because the person saw Jewish people as being evil.

Well I just think the ABA therapist was saying you assume to much about the profession they worked with and what it was all about and it probably didn't call for the kinds of responses you gave.

I don't really care about people's intent, I only care about the effect of their behaviour and the choices they make. I don't really factor intent into my judgments of people's behaviour much of the time, because it is often irrelevant to the consequences of the behaviour.

Also, if you suspect I broke the rules of the forum in another thread, you are welcome to report it. As it is, I haven't received any warnings so I'm assuming no one else saw this supposed ad hominem attack I made. I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread and it's contents, though. Your behaviour towards me is beginning to make me uncomfortable, especially considering your previous attempt to provoke an emotional response from me in this thread. Perhaps from now on when you see my comments and are tempted to answer you should just move along to something else instead of responding, because I don't really dig your method of "debate". There are lots of other people here to chat with, it should be easy enough for you to avoid me. I would appreciate it if you would.

BTW, there was another person in the same line of work commenting in that thread, and they shared my sentiment about the mistakes this "ABA therapist" was making coming into this community and not actually listening to the feedback they were getting and instead reacting to criticisms of their chosen field with defensiveness and condescension instead of being open to listening to people who know more about autism first-hand than they themselves do.

But I'm pretty sure it's inappropriate to be discussing the content of other threads in this thread, it's derailing. Please stop derailing this thread.

Okay I admit bringing up the ABA thread was not good it is after all water under the bridge.

That's not why it's wrong to bring it up here in this thread, if you want to talk about that thread do it in that thread. Just don't expect me to answer there, talk about it with others. Bringing it up here is a derailing tactic, something you've already done in this thread with me. Just stop, dude. Move along.

Let's leave it at that then.