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07 Jan 2017, 10:49 pm

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How would you know to what extent men have been oppressed? You've never experienced being a man.

Women have been oppressed by men pretty much all over the world for thousands of years. At what point in history did women have all the power over men?
Now you're being intentionally obtuse just to be rude to me instead of trying to have an actual discussion. Bye.

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07 Jan 2017, 10:53 pm

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As a property owner, he likely dreaded blacks moving into any areas he owned.

So, he is likely pragmatically racist, not hatefully racist.

So he doesnt even hate you, he just sees you as a bane to buisness
That makes all better

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07 Jan 2017, 10:56 pm

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Many men are taught that forcing a woman to have sex with you if you don't have a knife or gun is not rape (as the study in the article I linked shows), so obviously they don't think it's all that wrong or it wouldn't happen on the scale it does. Lots of guys commit rape and think they are not screwed up. I doubt the guy who raped me thinks of himself as a rapist or a bad guy or a criminal, even though he is all of those things. Lots of people think they're not racist yet they behave in racist ways.

I believe the girl was passed out drunk or close to passed out, basically she was in no state to consent. That really needs to be ingrained that if someone is incapacitated they cannot consent to people doing anything to their body, seems somehow this message gets missed by some.

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07 Jan 2017, 10:59 pm

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When men (or women, because women contribute to it too) are being sexist towards me, when they say or do something sexist to me that makes my life harder and more stressful, I don't really care if they actively hate women or not--I only care that they are being sexist to me and making my life harder. Their intentions don't matter to me, the impact of their actions on me is what matters to me. You can not actively hate women and still contribute to sexism and making women's lives harder.

If you're bullying me because you hate me or bullying me because you think it's amusing, either way you are bullying me and I want it to stop. One's intentions matter less than the consequences of one's actions. This is a reality that everyone has to deal with if they are not a sociopath completely lacking empathy: whatever your intentions, your actions towards others have consequences, and dealing with and being responsible for those consequences is called being an adult.

No one denying Trump's idiocy. But sexist is a strong word to through towards someone. I think all of your grievances are legitimate and I certainly don't like Trump.

But the thing I think intent defines a person's thinking not actions. Intentions define what the person ultimately wants to do. Actions are just the result of it.

I personally like it that people like you are not afraid to bash Trump. I think we need people like you to show that those kinds of behaviours are bad.

He is the definition of sexist. In the dictonary under the word sexist, it says see "Trump, Donald J."

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07 Jan 2017, 11:00 pm

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RetroGamer87 wrote:

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Interesting that you think you're an expert on the effects of racism when you're not a member of an ethnic minority.

I can speak about bigotry like sexism and racism and what it is like to experience because I am a member of a class that is effected by bigotry.

Which class would that be?

I'm a woman, and women experience sexism which is a form of bigotry. And yes men experience sexism too, but not to the extent or with the same power differential as women and men haven't had to fight for their rights like women have and still do (women's right to abortion for example is being challenged by many state governments in America right now, which is institutionalised bigotry.) Men have never been oppressed by women on a societal level, but women have been oppressed by men and are still fighting that bigotry to this day in many parts of the world.

But, as far as WE know, you've never experienced racism, as a POC----and, that's what HE was talkin'-about, wasn't it!!

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07 Jan 2017, 11:00 pm

Delete.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:05 pm

Men face sexism mainly from other men.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:07 pm

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Hey to Wilburforce and all the people on the forum. Do you know any examples of people who did not quite understand consent. I am not into too much details but I am interested in the point you'll raise.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:11 pm

the man who was my fiance in the 80's sexually assaulted me. he was SHOCKED when i complained.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:14 pm

Okay, I think I am done with this.

Sorry for asking the question.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:17 pm

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RetroGamer back down now this will not end well trust me I know. Wilburforce has no mercy.

Nonsense. She's intelligent. She can be reasoned with.

No, I gotta go with Shahunshah, on this one, as I've gone a round or two, myself, with her----and, IMO, she will NOT see anyone else's POV, because only HERS is "allowed" to be correct.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:19 pm

wilburforce wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

How would you know to what extent men have been oppressed? You've never experienced being a man.

Women have been oppressed by men pretty much all over the world for thousands of years. At what point in history did women have all the power over men? Now you're being intentionally obtuse just to be rude to me instead of trying to have an actual discussion. Bye.

LOL See!!

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07 Jan 2017, 11:21 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

RetroGamer back down now this will not end well trust me I know. Wilburforce has no mercy.

Nonsense. She's intelligent. She can be reasoned with.

No, I gotta go with Shahunshah, on this one, as I've gone a round or two, myself, with her----and, IMO, she will NOT see anyone else's POV, because only HERS is "allowed" to be correct.

Debating her is tough. But cut Wilby some slack, she knows what she's talking about and is passionate. That I can appreciate.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:25 pm

there are apparently some people in the world that think "you are a douche waffle" is way worse than "you seem like a douche waffle." they seem like they have problems with social skills or something.

there are some people that expect others to interpret their writing exactly as they mean it whether they are clear or not. when people don't see these writings as exactly the same as the writer wishes, the writer subtly accuses them of being stupid, but because it's only implied, considers that civil conversation. they seem like they have problems with social skills or something.

in case someone makes some negative assumption (akin to assuming someone is irate due to a grammar error) about why this reply is delayed, i have been at an art show.

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07 Jan 2017, 11:28 pm

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Um..... Maybe somebody who was severely mentally ret*d?

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07 Jan 2017, 11:32 pm

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the man who was my fiance in the 80's sexually assaulted me. he was SHOCKED when i complained.

Yeah, that's pretty common, unfortunately.....

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