On punching Nazis
04 Feb 2017, 4:08 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
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04 Feb 2017, 4:18 am
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
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04 Feb 2017, 4:20 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
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04 Feb 2017, 4:29 am
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
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04 Feb 2017, 4:33 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
The ideology is bad but its just like a black guy who goes to prison for punching for someone. Their crime itself is not the only thing to blame for the deed it is society's mistreatment.
04 Feb 2017, 8:13 am
Shahunshah wrote:
Their is no evil people, just evil actions and the things we have to do to prevent them.
I want people to go to prison on a pragmatic standpoint that they might be a menace.
I want people to go to prison on a pragmatic standpoint that they might be a menace.
Are you saying people who might commit a crime should go to jail? If so isn't that just a way to get rid of Dissenters?
04 Feb 2017, 8:48 am
Why can't people accept the Golden Rule? Perhaps the flip side being an 'eye for an eye' is more apt and easier to understand. If you normalize political violence then don't be surprised if you see reciprocation. People like MLK of Gandhi didn't preach non-violence because they were super cool nice guys, it's because the alternative would of seen untold amounts of people have their lives ruined or even be slaughtered. Legitimized violence and intimidation in the political process is not standing up for yourself and it is not sustainable, continuing tit for tat will continue on to its logical extreme. If you really think that 50% of America are racist irredeemable Nazis and are not just having an extended butthurt election tantrum then you probably should figure out how to live peacefully with these racists because what are you advocating otherwise? Obviously I don't agree with that characterization, I don't think it's one that accurately reflects reality but if that's what you seriously believe then I think you are the problem.
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04 Feb 2017, 6:24 pm
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
The ideology is bad but its just like a black guy who goes to prison for punching for someone. Their crime itself is not the only thing to blame for the deed it is society's mistreatment.
Most of them don't want help, and certainly don't think they need it. If any of them are delusional, showing any sort of patience toward their abhorrent ideology isn't doing them any favors.
Some people are just born bad. Others are raised to be bad. Sure, society can be hard on people, but most people don't end up turning on others because of it.
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04 Feb 2017, 6:32 pm
Jacoby wrote:
Why can't people accept the Golden Rule? Perhaps the flip side being an 'eye for an eye' is more apt and easier to understand. If you normalize political violence then don't be surprised if you see reciprocation. People like MLK of Gandhi didn't preach non-violence because they were super cool nice guys, it's because the alternative would of seen untold amounts of people have their lives ruined or even be slaughtered. Legitimized violence and intimidation in the political process is not standing up for yourself and it is not sustainable, continuing tit for tat will continue on to its logical extreme. If you really think that 50% of America are racist irredeemable Nazis and are not just having an extended butthurt election tantrum then you probably should figure out how to live peacefully with these racists because what are you advocating otherwise? Obviously I don't agree with that characterization, I don't think it's one that accurately reflects reality but if that's what you seriously believe then I think you are the problem.
I don't believe 50% of Americans are irredeemable racists. No, they're number is quite a bit lower, but because of Trump's efforts to woo the Alt Right, racists who had been hiding under their rocks were emboldened to crawl out. Even Trump says he doesn't want those racists supporting him... now. The trick is to drive them back under their rocks.
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04 Feb 2017, 8:15 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
The ideology is bad but its just like a black guy who goes to prison for punching for someone. Their crime itself is not the only thing to blame for the deed it is society's mistreatment.
Most of them don't want help, and certainly don't think they need it. If any of them are delusional, showing any sort of patience toward their abhorrent ideology isn't doing them any favors.
Some people are just born bad. Others are raised to be bad. Sure, society can be hard on people, but most people don't end up turning on others because of it.
Some of histories greatest leaders including people I admire like Winston Churchill and Charles DeGaulle were in fact racists. Winston believed in eugenics and Charles DeGaulle likewise. Yet they showed commitment to their people and did many great things. Churchill prevented an evil German Empire from taking Europe and DeGaulle prevented the collapse of France in the 1950s and 60s.
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04 Feb 2017, 11:47 pm
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:
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lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
The ideology is bad but its just like a black guy who goes to prison for punching for someone. Their crime itself is not the only thing to blame for the deed it is society's mistreatment.
Most of them don't want help, and certainly don't think they need it. If any of them are delusional, showing any sort of patience toward their abhorrent ideology isn't doing them any favors.
Some people are just born bad. Others are raised to be bad. Sure, society can be hard on people, but most people don't end up turning on others because of it.
Some of histories greatest leaders including people I admire like Winston Churchill and Charles DeGaulle were in fact racists. Winston believed in eugenics and Charles DeGaulle likewise. Yet they showed commitment to their people and did many great things. Churchill prevented an evil German Empire from taking Europe and DeGaulle prevented the collapse of France in the 1950s and 60s.
Yes, and Martin Luther was Antisemitic, and Gandhi held black Africans in low regard. And yet, these and other great figures in history had traits of greatness that overshadowed their flaws. With the Stormfront crowd, I don't see any such redeemable qualities. The son of Stormfront's founder has since parted with his father and his ideology, and has embraced America's ideals of pluralism, and that was without coddling the hateful ideology he had been raised with, but with bluntly giving him the facts.
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05 Feb 2017, 12:13 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
The ideology is bad but its just like a black guy who goes to prison for punching for someone. Their crime itself is not the only thing to blame for the deed it is society's mistreatment.
Most of them don't want help, and certainly don't think they need it. If any of them are delusional, showing any sort of patience toward their abhorrent ideology isn't doing them any favors.
Some people are just born bad. Others are raised to be bad. Sure, society can be hard on people, but most people don't end up turning on others because of it.
Some of histories greatest leaders including people I admire like Winston Churchill and Charles DeGaulle were in fact racists. Winston believed in eugenics and Charles DeGaulle likewise. Yet they showed commitment to their people and did many great things. Churchill prevented an evil German Empire from taking Europe and DeGaulle prevented the collapse of France in the 1950s and 60s.
Yes, and Martin Luther was Antisemitic, and Gandhi held black Africans in low regard. And yet, these and other great figures in history had traits of greatness that overshadowed their flaws. With the Stormfront crowd, I don't see any such redeemable qualities. The son of Stormfront's founder has since parted with his father and his ideology, and has embraced America's ideals of pluralism, and that was without coddling the hateful ideology he had been raised with, but with bluntly giving him the facts.
To be honest I in general really dislike lidsmichelle's attitude. I didn't realize this in the past but the people of Stormfront have legitimate dissent I want listened to. Many of them grew up in poverty and did not receive any of the supports African Americans did like Affirmative action to climb the ladder and lost jobs to illegal immigration. We have ignored these people and not given them support they needed not only is that morally wrong but the effects of it can be punishing.
And if we carry on like this what we may see is a large level of white working class resentment to the system and minorities because of the way they have been treated. That in turn could lead to violence and make America a hostile country. We got to reach out to these people give them a chance to grow, meet them half way. Its the only path that we afford to do.
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05 Feb 2017, 1:17 am
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
The ideology is bad but its just like a black guy who goes to prison for punching for someone. Their crime itself is not the only thing to blame for the deed it is society's mistreatment.
Most of them don't want help, and certainly don't think they need it. If any of them are delusional, showing any sort of patience toward their abhorrent ideology isn't doing them any favors.
Some people are just born bad. Others are raised to be bad. Sure, society can be hard on people, but most people don't end up turning on others because of it.
Some of histories greatest leaders including people I admire like Winston Churchill and Charles DeGaulle were in fact racists. Winston believed in eugenics and Charles DeGaulle likewise. Yet they showed commitment to their people and did many great things. Churchill prevented an evil German Empire from taking Europe and DeGaulle prevented the collapse of France in the 1950s and 60s.
Yes, and Martin Luther was Antisemitic, and Gandhi held black Africans in low regard. And yet, these and other great figures in history had traits of greatness that overshadowed their flaws. With the Stormfront crowd, I don't see any such redeemable qualities. The son of Stormfront's founder has since parted with his father and his ideology, and has embraced America's ideals of pluralism, and that was without coddling the hateful ideology he had been raised with, but with bluntly giving him the facts.
To be honest I in general really dislike lidsmichelle's attitude. I didn't realize this in the past but the people of Stormfront have legitimate dissent I want listened to. Many of them grew up in poverty and did not receive any of the supports African Americans did like Affirmative action to climb the ladder and lost jobs to illegal immigration. We have ignored these people and not given them support they needed not only is that morally wrong but the effects of it can be punishing.
And if we carry on like this what we may see is a large level of white working class resentment to the system and minorities because of the way they have been treated. That in turn could lead to violence and make America a hostile country. We got to reach out to these people give them a chance to grow, meet them half way. Its the only path that we afford to do.
The thing is, though, plenty white working class people who have lost out never turned out like the Stormfront types. My dad had worked in an aluminum plant, and had made great money with benefits. If anything, I'm a scion of the working class that has lost out. But never have I blamed people who have it worse than me. The fact of the matter is, few jobs are actually lost to illegal immigrants, and those jobs that go overseas are not stolen by other countries, but are given away by the traitorous corporation heads of America.
As for white workers not having the same chance as blacks due to affirmative action - I'm sorry, but even with such government help, blacks are still more likely to be unemployed than whites. Again, the fault for the decline of the American working class lies with wealthy corporations that cut wages, benefits, then ultimately jobs, for the sake of making even more astronomical money. Their claims that they've had to screw over American workers to remain competitive rings hollow. Blame does not rest with those who have it worse than American white workers.
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05 Feb 2017, 1:22 am
I dislike your attitude too lmao.
Also black people do not benefit as much from affirmative action as you and many other white people seem to think.
It actually helps people like me the most, white women. Not black people. White women.
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05 Feb 2017, 1:26 am
lidsmichelle wrote:
I dislike your attitude too lmao.
Also black people do not benefit as much from affirmative action as you and many other white people seem to think.
It actually helps people like me the most, white women. Not black people. White women.
Also black people do not benefit as much from affirmative action as you and many other white people seem to think.
It actually helps people like me the most, white women. Not black people. White women.
Forgive me, but was your post directed at me, or Shahunshah?
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05 Feb 2017, 1:27 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
I'm black so I'm glad he got punched. Nazis expect to be able to walk around proudly while wanting to exterminate an entire race that their ancestors brought over against their will. Add to that their supremacy is genetically unfounded as most Nazis have mixed lineage just like everyone else. Expecting us to be happy about being shot down in the streets while condemning all violence is asinine. This is a result of the surmounting turmoil of American racism and Xenophobia that everyone but minorities and their loved ones are afraid or unwilling to address. History repeats itself, if everyone wants to candy coat Nazis instead of tell them they don't belong we are going to have another Civil War.
A lot of the people who defend Richard Spencer that I've talked to irl are people who claim that police brutality is justified. You'll show them a case where it is completely inarguable that the victim was unarmed and not being violent or showing any form of resistance (not that either are justification for killing people anyways, as police are supposed to be trained to non violently de-escalate violent situations), and they'll still say it was justified.
Shoot an unarmed black man? Justified. Punch a literal neo Nazi in the face? You're a terrible meanie and there's no justification for violence.
Their is context to each of those things.
The Neo-Nazi was not assaulting anyone. The shooting in Ferguson was terrible but the policeman may have done it out of fear not hate, the victim had after all done a robbery.
if a Neo Nazi is a narcissist who is incapable of changing their views. Are they still totally responsible for how they think?
If so why should the person deserve to be punched when its not their fault they retain their beliefs?
Yes, Neo-Nazis are absolutely responsible for how they think. We know that they can change because some have rid themselves of their insane racist ideas. And to say that Neo-Nazis aren't responsible for how they think is giving them license to commit crimes against minorities.
And no I do not think that Neo-Nazis have a license to commit crimes. I think that if someone is going to commit a crime etc they will have to be arrested and thrown in jail because the action they will do is wrong.
But no I don't believe anyone per-se "deserves" a punishment as often thinking differently is beyond them.
Their is no evil in people just in actions. And if someone is going to do a bad action they will have to be stopped.
Oh, there are plenty people with evil in them around.
But is it their fault they lack empathy and can't see the other side or is it how their brains are wired?
To be honest I don't believe that anyone deserves any kind of punishment. The only justifiable reason for punishment is to disincentive people from doing the same behaviour again and for self-growth. Other than that it should never be done.
Wait a minute... Are you saying people whose brains might be wired differently shouldn't be punished for their crimes? I'm autistic, so my brain is wired differently, but if I commit a crime, I should be punished.
Their is no purpose for punishment if it does nothing that's why I am against punching Richard Spencer all it does is inflicts pain. Obviously I should add people should be sent to prison for their crimes to prevent it from happening again.
You get me wrong. I don't want Spencer punished just for having abhorrent ideas, as that's not a crime. I'm just not upset about a fed up black man slugging him.
Because Nazis are below contempt.
What if a Nazi wants to do good by protecting their children and society from the so called "evil" races.
If they honestly believe that, then they're clearly delusional, and need help. America is a pluralistic country, and those in denial of that are mentally and/or morally aberrated.
The ideology is bad but its just like a black guy who goes to prison for punching for someone. Their crime itself is not the only thing to blame for the deed it is society's mistreatment.
Most of them don't want help, and certainly don't think they need it. If any of them are delusional, showing any sort of patience toward their abhorrent ideology isn't doing them any favors.
Some people are just born bad. Others are raised to be bad. Sure, society can be hard on people, but most people don't end up turning on others because of it.
Some of histories greatest leaders including people I admire like Winston Churchill and Charles DeGaulle were in fact racists. Winston believed in eugenics and Charles DeGaulle likewise. Yet they showed commitment to their people and did many great things. Churchill prevented an evil German Empire from taking Europe and DeGaulle prevented the collapse of France in the 1950s and 60s.
Yes, and Martin Luther was Antisemitic, and Gandhi held black Africans in low regard. And yet, these and other great figures in history had traits of greatness that overshadowed their flaws. With the Stormfront crowd, I don't see any such redeemable qualities. The son of Stormfront's founder has since parted with his father and his ideology, and has embraced America's ideals of pluralism, and that was without coddling the hateful ideology he had been raised with, but with bluntly giving him the facts.
To be honest I in general really dislike lidsmichelle's attitude. I didn't realize this in the past but the people of Stormfront have legitimate dissent I want listened to. Many of them grew up in poverty and did not receive any of the supports African Americans did like Affirmative action to climb the ladder and lost jobs to illegal immigration. We have ignored these people and not given them support they needed not only is that morally wrong but the effects of it can be punishing.
And if we carry on like this what we may see is a large level of white working class resentment to the system and minorities because of the way they have been treated. That in turn could lead to violence and make America a hostile country. We got to reach out to these people give them a chance to grow, meet them half way. Its the only path that we afford to do.
The thing is, though, plenty white working class people who have lost out never turned out like the Stormfront types. My dad had worked in an aluminum plant, and had made great money with benefits. If anything, I'm a scion of the working class that has lost out. But never have I blamed people who have it worse than me. The fact of the matter is, few jobs are actually lost to illegal immigrants, and those jobs that go overseas are not stolen by other countries, but are given away by the traitorous corporation heads of America.
As for white workers not having the same chance as blacks due to affirmative action - I'm sorry, but even with such government help, blacks are still more likely to be unemployed than whites. Again, the fault for the decline of the American working class lies with wealthy corporations that cut wages, benefits, then ultimately jobs, for the sake of making even more astronomical money. Their claims that they've had to screw over American workers to remain competitive rings hollow. Blame does not rest with those who have it worse than American white workers.
People react differently to hardship, some will get angry and resentful others won't they have a legitimate reason for doing so.
I know that Black people are still more likely to be unemployed but the point still remains. A Black person may have greater support to climb than a White person in the same position.
I am just sick of us trying to patronize the White working class as a heap of racists. Some are but that feeling has come from a legitimate feeling of resentment and anger.
