Your thoughts on Gay Marriage / Homosexuality?

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That'll be where good sex ed kicks in: teaching people to use the pill PROPERLY.

Well yeah... but even with education people mess up.

All education is a form of damage limitation to some degree, and no solution is 100%. The wise course lies in finding the most effective path. "Abstinence" Sex Ed clearly doesn't stop kids from doing it (and may even add to the excitement in a forbidden fruit way. Teaching them how to correctly use prophylactics doesn't stop teenage pregnancy or STD's either, but it does seem more effective than letting them fly blind.

The fact is, there are risks involved in everything.

Let's take crossing the road as a day-to-day example. When you cross the road, you could get run over. If you look and listen before crossing the road, you're safer. Not completely safe - some maniac could jump a red right, for example. But you're a lot more likely to survive if you cross the road properly, right?

Well, the same applies here. If you know how to have sex safely, the risk won't disappear, because everything you do in life carries a risk, but you will be a lot safer than if you do it without any protection at all.

Get my drift?

Now, in terms of teenagers, they are never going to just stop exploring sexually just coz mummy and daddy say so. Systems which go against basic human nature and basic human desires are doomed to fail.

So, why not make sure that said teenagers are educated in safe sex?

I had that in my citizenship classes, we had a module on sex and relationships where we learnt how to put a condom on, talked about sexual questions and issues, and talked about relationships and love, and I believe I am wiser for it.

Last edited by Asp-Z on 04 Nov 2010, 2:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It's Abstinence ONLY programs that don't work. Including the idea of abstinence in a comprehensive sex ed program is the ideal.

I'm certainly not saying we should stop teens from having sex. I'm just saying we should teach them the possible consequences from having sex... protected or not.

Even with protection and birth control, there's still a possibility of conception. Teens need to know this, and know how teen mothers fare in today's society. And no, I'm not talking about scare tactics. Scare tactics are ineffective.

the religious arguments against sex before marriage should not be brought up in school. different religions have different standards on that issue which is one of the reasons we have rules against that sort of thing. that we've defined legal adulthood as 18+ and that we mandate school attendance are excellent reasons to use for abstinence, though safe sex within the same age group fixes those problems.

there is not just one kind of "birth control." condoms can help prevent the spread of stds as well as unwanted pregnancies. there are birth control pills that you take every day, patches you wear once a week, treatments administered once a month, shots that are administered every six months, implants that don't have to be changed for up to five years.... these are just the methods i'm aware of. there are even different kinds of each of those types that address issues of incompatibility. i had a roommate a few years ago who had violent mood swings when she was on birth control because of the dosage (she was very overweight) and when she finally told her doctor he switched her to another daily pill and the problem was solved.

if you're interested in birth control and don't think/have been told that you are not compatible with any current options, you might not be completely out of luck. even if it's a specific condition that inhibits your ability to take "the pill," it's worth looking into further.

the middle ground "between comprehensive sex ed where they hand out condoms and birth control and the religious arguments against sex before marriage" doesn't exist. "here's some condoms and this is where you can go to get on birth control" is contradictory to "having sex before marriage is something you are not to do." it's not hard to see why people who push "abstinence only" sex ed are opposed to also teaching "comprehensive" sex ed. i'm fine with my children being taught that abstinence is the best way to avoid stds and unwanted pregnancies. i just want them to also know that it's not the only way since i understand that humans have sexual desires and urges and that this is not, in and of itself, a bad thing.

*facepalm* I never said religion should be brought up in school. I said the religious notion of abstinence should be INCLUDED in a comprehensive sex ed class.

This means abstinence should be taught as an option and the ideal, but it should not be all of what's taught.

Bring things back towards the "gay marriage" area: Gay couples don't tend to be susceptible to a dearth of unwanted teen pregnancies, regardless of what you teach them in high school. Sounds like a win to me.

Pregnancy is only one possible consequence of sex.

STDs and pleasure. Two more.

Pleasure is not a consequence. lol

Considering the amount of STDs there are, I would think STDs should be the primary concern. That, and the anus is more vulnerable to injury than a vagina during penetration.

And they're selling it on iTunes and giving the money to the Dodson family and now Antoine is also a spokesman for a cell phone application that shows you sex offenders in your area.

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You might not like it but it's helping him and his family more than if he never got that fame.

Yeah, its not really a consequence. But it's certainly an upside. Its also one of the major reasons people do it.

As most (if not all) STDs are transmitted in much the same manner, and prevented in much the same manner, it pretty much comes under the aegis of "protection." That doesn't require a great deal extra in the way of education. Basic safety technique should probably cover "lubrication", which would be the key to damage limitation. (Which applies to any orifice.)

No doubt the idea of teaching teens to be careful when they engage in bumsex is enough to get Christians frothing at the mouths. Still in this thread not actually heard a good reason for that reaction that wasn't "because God said so."

The point is that in places where there is a lower age of consent, there's also lower rates of teen pregnancy. Dealing with sex directly and honestly is more effective than treating it like something shameful that shouldn't be in the open.

You seemed to have missed my point. Being okay with homosexuality 'because they can't get pregnant' is rather strange since pregnancy is not the only concern.

+10000000 on this.

See my post at the bottom of the previous page.