Why do Christians like to fixate so much on homosexuality?

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15 Feb 2011, 9:50 am

Forget about tolerant - let us examine "tuned in to reality"

While there are Christians - by my definition - who may feel that there are situations where the taking of human life while deplorable is inevitable, those who actually attune to the teachings of the Christ or the Buddha do not do or condone murder.

But there are those who claim the Christ and the Buddha who may murder "for the faith"

Just as those who follow the Way are not going to persecute the Green Monkey [Jesus pretty well promises us we will BE Green Monkeys!] but there are those who will claim the name and point to the scripture and whup the Green Monkey.



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15 Feb 2011, 11:21 am

I can recommend a movie relevant to this topic: Saved!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwdjZ5pDws[/youtube]

It is about a conservative teenaged Christian girl whose boyfriend tells her that he is gay, and she is convinced that Jesus tells her to have coitus with him, in order to save him. She becomes pregnant.



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15 Feb 2011, 11:25 am

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... and she is convinced ... to have coitus with him, in order to save him.

That would not be the first case of such within a temple.


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15 Feb 2011, 12:05 pm

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It doesn't say that this was specifically Lesbianism. It could have been bestiality, which is expressly forbidden.


I gave you more than two verses. If you only wanted to interpret two, it probably should have been these.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I think your last post probably did not bestow a complete picture.


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15 Feb 2011, 12:41 pm

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It doesn't say that this was specifically Lesbianism. It could have been bestiality, which is expressly forbidden.


I gave you more than two verses. If you only wanted to interpret two, it probably should have been these.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I think your last post probably did not bestow a complete picture.


If you examine the Noahide laws, which derive from the Torah:

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/noahide.html

the forms of illicit intercourse include:

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ILLICIT INTERCOURSE
against (a man) having union with his mother
against (a man) having union with his sister
against (a man) having union with the wife of his father
against (a man) having union with another man's wife
against (a man) copulating with a beast
against a woman copulating with a beast
against (a man) lying carnally with a male
against (a man) lying carnally with his father
against (a man) lying carnally with his father's brother
against engaging in erotic conduct that may lead to a prohibited union


There isn't anything in there against Lesbianism. Nor is there anything in the Torah against Lesbianism. In your verse, "their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones" doesn't specifically identify Lesbianism as the "unnatural sexual relations." Since the Bible doesn't specifically identify Lesbianism as a crime, we must assume that Paul could only have been refering to bestiality.



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15 Feb 2011, 4:13 pm

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I think I made it perfectly clear that I am willing to grant that many Christians are not homophobes, but what I want to know is, 'why do the non-homophobic Christians only declare their lack of bigotry when non-Christians attack the visible, loud bigotry of those who claim to represent Christianity?


Actually if you are homosexual and seeking shelter you are far better off going into a Christian Church than a police station in most parts of the world.


I was talking about America; you're probably right about some parts of the world (particularly places where Christianity is still the minority, and Christians have to behave exceptionally well to be tolerated). Your advice would likely be fatal in Uganda and some other parts of Africa, and would probably not lead to shelter in most parts of South- and Central America.

I'll re-frame the question a little, though: Why do American Christians only speak up about the supposedly non-homophobic nature of Christianity when American non-Christians are attacking the vocal Christian Right for their bigotry? Why do non-bigoted American Christians not police their own?



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15 Feb 2011, 4:38 pm

Not police their own>

Perhaps they are NOT their own?

Perhaps they have no police powers?

Perhaps they are ignored and cdevalued by the bigots and suspected by everyone else?

Whom have you policed lately?

How effective was it?



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15 Feb 2011, 4:42 pm

why do christians fixate on homosexuality? because god wrote the bible and said it was wrong. duh! :wink:


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15 Feb 2011, 5:00 pm

richardbenson wrote:
why do christians fixate on homosexuality? because god wrote the bible and said it was wrong. duh! :wink:


Duh yourself. I was going to just leave it, but it is just so ...

Passing over the fact I was told that "why do they fixate" is actually not what the question MEANT and I should not try to talk about that:

If your Duh explanation had any validity why is there no record of Jesus fixating on homosexuality or adultery or murder or cheating on exams?

Indeed the main sin he seems to have fixated on is being full of yourself.

If you can't say nothing reasonable, Thumper, .....



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15 Feb 2011, 5:03 pm

Whats that dali llama saying? Oh yeah.

I like your christ, unfortunatley you christians are so unlike you're christ.

I'm not saying jesus fixated on homosexuality. I'm saying christians do!


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15 Feb 2011, 7:02 pm

@LKL

Most mainline denominations in Uganda can, and do shelter homosexual people. There are denominations that have bad practices, even there, they are a minority. Most Ugandans belong to the Church of Uganda and the Catholic Church. Both can and do provide shelter. These two institutions have spoken out against Uganda's laws on the subject. You are much better off in one of these Churches than in a police station.

As to your reformulated question; I do not know, I cannot say for sure since I am not an American. If I had to hazard a guess, I would say its because of the way that some protestant denominations work. Most of the more extreme groups are not subject to authority outside of the pastors who run them. Condemnation can only go so far. If you are talking about groups like Westboro Baptist, they have been condemned by just about everyone. Groups like Westboro hate me for being Catholic about as much as they hate someone for being homosexual.

@Pandabear

Sorry, you said it was not prohibited in the Bible. Now the Torah? We both know the entire book is interpreted as a whole by almost all denominations.

@richardbenson

The Dali Lama has also stated that Homosexual sex is a moral wrong (for Buddhists). He urges respect for individuals but he does not say that it is not wrong. I agree with the sentiment of your statement though, we Christians ought to behave more like Christ.


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15 Feb 2011, 7:13 pm

Woops. wrong guy, It was Gandhi who said that. well I knew it was somebody over there :pig:


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15 Feb 2011, 7:20 pm

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Sorry, you said it was not prohibited in the Bible. Now the Torah? We both know the entire book is interpreted as a whole by almost all denominations.


Nowhere in the Bible is Lesbianism prohibited. Your text from Paul neither mentions nor prohibits Lesbianism.



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15 Feb 2011, 7:37 pm

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Sorry, you said it was not prohibited in the Bible. Now the Torah? We both know the entire book is interpreted as a whole by almost all denominations.


Nowhere in the Bible is Lesbianism prohibited. Your text from Paul neither mentions nor prohibits Lesbianism.


Sure :roll:


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15 Feb 2011, 7:55 pm

richardbenson wrote:
Whats that dali llama saying? Oh yeah.

I like your christ, unfortunatley you christians are so unlike you're christ.

I'm not saying jesus fixated on homosexuality. I'm saying christians do!


Your definitions are too small.

Defixate and USE eyes and ears.



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15 Feb 2011, 8:09 pm

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91 wrote:
@Pandabear

Sorry, you said it was not prohibited in the Bible. Now the Torah? We both know the entire book is interpreted as a whole by almost all denominations.


Nowhere in the Bible is Lesbianism prohibited. Your text from Paul neither mentions nor prohibits Lesbianism.


Sure :roll:


As sure as you believe in the Holy Spirit. The Bible clearly permits Lesbianism.