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richardbenson
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15 Jan 2011, 4:11 pm

Even if they outlawed guns, criminals will still be able to get there hands on them. point well taken, and proven. Look at the war on drugs, yeah that stopped drugs all-together.

Lets defend our homes, with knocking out the robber with the conveinantley place vase next to your bed stand

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15 Jan 2011, 4:25 pm

At some time in the future I would like to collect enough books to have a library. Most of the books being textbooks which actually go into depth of their subject matter, which would be in stark contrast to most of the public libraries of Minnesota. I don't want to keep such a resource to myself though, so I will allow my library to be publicly accessible. However, I'm not going to blindly trust people I do not know personally. To be prepared for an occasion of violence performed against myself or my family I will be armed. I am willing to extend an hand of trust, but should people wish to betray my trust and threaten me with bodily harm I would prepare my hand to wield a sword so that later I may extend that hand in trust to others who are more trustworthy rather than allow my hand to be cut off by those who are not.



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15 Jan 2011, 7:09 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
At some time in the future I would like to collect enough books to have a library. Most of the books being textbooks which actually go into depth of their subject matter, which would be in stark contrast to most of the public libraries of Minnesota. I don't want to keep such a resource to myself though, so I will allow my library to be publicly accessible. However, I'm not going to blindly trust people I do not know personally. To be prepared for an occasion of violence performed against myself or my family I will be armed. I am willing to extend an hand of trust, but should people wish to betray my trust and threaten me with bodily harm I would prepare my hand to wield a sword so that later I may extend that hand in trust to others who are more trustworthy rather than allow my hand to be cut off by those who are not.


The concept of someone so fascinated by a book as to deal with an armed maniac to borrow it is, if nothing else, rather fascinating.



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15 Jan 2011, 7:56 pm

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At some time in the future I would like to collect enough books to have a library. Most of the books being textbooks which actually go into depth of their subject matter, which would be in stark contrast to most of the public libraries of Minnesota. I don't want to keep such a resource to myself though, so I will allow my library to be publicly accessible. However, I'm not going to blindly trust people I do not know personally. To be prepared for an occasion of violence performed against myself or my family I will be armed. I am willing to extend an hand of trust, but should people wish to betray my trust and threaten me with bodily harm I would prepare my hand to wield a sword so that later I may extend that hand in trust to others who are more trustworthy rather than allow my hand to be cut off by those who are not.


The concept of someone so fascinated by a book as to deal with an armed maniac to borrow it is, if nothing else, rather fascinating.


Why trust an armed maniac. If they want to borrow books, that's fine, if they wanted to threaten my life, that's not fine. An armed opponent is able to strike back whereas most predators go after those who cannot hurt them or are otherwise incapacitated.



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15 Jan 2011, 8:47 pm

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Since I had the safe open I figured I'd drag a few out for a quick pic.
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Clockwise from top:
1970 vintage Smith & Wesson model 29 .44 magnum with a 6.5" barrel.
Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP
Sig Sauer P-228 9mm
Springfield Custom Loaded 1911A1 .45 ACP.

[img][800:768]http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc328/30CalM1/IMG_0128.jpg[/img]

Interesting.
It appears the 45 ACP doesn't have the usual 5" inch barrel. The commander had I believe a 4.25" barrel. Maybe the pic. is descaling it or is it shorter? And looks as though it was accurized by the trigger?


If your talking about the 1911 it does have a standard 5" barrel. I also have a plain Colt Combat Commander with the shorter barrel. The pic was sized to fit so maybe that's why the shorter appearance.
Back to the gun in the pic: It came with enhancements like a longer trigger, stainless match barrel, Novak tritium sights, enlarged ejection port, full length guide rod, ambidextrous thumb safety, beavertail grip safety, etc..........
I have other .45's (like the HK USP across from it) but theres just something about a 1911.



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16 Jan 2011, 2:19 am

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I have other .45's (like the HK USP across from it) but theres just something about a 1911.


Yep, I've had only the Colt 1911 myself, and I'd say it would never stove pipe jam, unlike the Browning high-power or Beretta 92 in 9mm full metal jacket.( Not that I have these too, but a family member had these.)

One favorite load was a Remington 185 grain hollow point. It would fire as reliable as any FMJ.

Factory load would hit 1150 feet per second , and that's quite a punch for an auto pistol. As comparative a 4 inch .357 is 1250 with a 158 grain, or stepping down, just take a 9mm as it's 1150fps @ 123 grain, and much smaller in cross sectional density.
Enough of my ramble. Interesting stuff though.



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16 Jan 2011, 3:15 am

I don't have a picture of it at the moment, but one of my favorite carry guns is an Armscor 1911 that was made on the same tooling as the WWII era models that was sold to the Philippines after the war. I've modified it minimally, mostly by polishing up some bearing surfaces in the trigger mechanism and stoning down the sear just a hair for a light and clean break, but I've otherwise left the internals fairly stock. I did some funny cosmetic stuff with it a while back when I used it as part of a Halloween costume (I went as the Comedian from Watchmen) where I polished down the bluing to give it sort of a dulled steel look, and fitted a set of grips with smiley face logos set in them. I ended up liking the look enough that I've kept it that way, the smileys actually look kind of appropriate on the thing.

When it get's cold out and I switch to heavier clothing, I tend to reach for my 10mm automatic, since It's a bit harder to conceal but packs quite a bit more firepower than my single stack .45 does. Mine is a CZ75 clone that holds 15 +1, and I feed it the 180 gr cor-bon loads that break 1400 fps... Surprisingly, it's very pleasant to shoot, the thing is heavy enough that it really tames the recoil, and the grip is wide enough from the double stack magazine that it spreads the impact around pretty well. I get a real kick breaking that thing out at the range, the bark is much louder than a 9mm but sharper than a .45, so I tend to get a lot of questions about what exactly it is that I'm shooting. 10mm isn't cheap to shoot though, it's really a handloader's caliber if you practice regularly.


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16 Jan 2011, 2:05 pm

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Factory load would hit 1150 feet per second , and that's quite a punch for an auto pistol. As comparative a 4 inch .357 is 1250 with a 158 grain, or stepping down, just take a 9mm as it's 1150fps @ 123 grain, and much smaller in cross sectional density.


1150 is really screaming fast for a .45. In the Hodgdon gunpowder reloading page the fastest load they show is 919 FPS for a 185 gr bullet. Is it a +P+ load?

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When it get's cold out and I switch to heavier clothing, I tend to reach for my 10mm automatic, since It's a bit harder to conceal but packs quite a bit more firepower than my single stack .45 does. Mine is a CZ75 clone that holds 15 +1, and I feed it the 180 gr cor-bon loads that break 1400 fps... Surprisingly, it's very pleasant to shoot, the thing is heavy enough that it really tames the recoil, and the grip is wide enough from the double stack magazine that it spreads the impact around pretty well. I get a real kick breaking that thing out at the range, the bark is much louder than a 9mm but sharper than a .45, so I tend to get a lot of questions about what exactly it is that I'm shooting. 10mm isn't cheap to shoot though, it's really a handloader's caliber if you practice regularly.


I have a 10mm, too, but it’s a S&W 1006. It’s one of the things that got me started in reloading and it’s a blast to shoot like you say. My concern with using a 10mm for a carry piece is the over penetration concern. I did take it on a road trip once, though, and had the 1st magazine loaded with Glaser safety slugs. In some cases Glasers may not penetrate enough, though………..
Finally I settled on the .40 SW in the form of the Glock 23. It’s loaded with Winchester Ranger 165 gr. SXT. I figure that’s about as close to one size fits all that I’m going to get out of a defensive handgun.



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16 Jan 2011, 3:53 pm

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1150 is really screaming fast for a .45. In the Hodgdon gunpowder reloading page the fastest load they show is 919 FPS for a 185 gr bullet. Is it a +P+ load?

No, do they even make a +p for auto's? I've been out of the loop for a while.

This was chronographed at about sea level in 85* weather too.

I've got an old Hornady reloading manual( circa 1992); looking it up now and the table shows : 1100 fps for 185 grain hollow point with 8.9 grains of SR 4756 powder out of Colt Government Model 5" barrel.


Hornady also shows 230 grain FMJ @ 950 fps with 9.7 grains of HS-6 powder.



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16 Jan 2011, 4:55 pm

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No, do they even make a +p for auto's? I've been out of the loop for a while.


Yes, in several calibers.
+P and +P+............