How strong is the evidence that Jesus existed?

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Quote real evidence for this ancient belief.

In fact the Sun is a class M star that consists largely of hydrogen gas that is fusing to produce the heat and light we require to live.

ruveyn

Shame on you for turning the Sun into a red dwarf, you'll surely freeze us all! The Sun, being a yellow main sequence star, has a stellar class of G2V.

So cold... So cold...

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Hi MCalavera,

The "other Apostles" are less than with Paul's validity and objectivity. The "siblings" are of Paul's set of evidence.

Since I'm kissed by the Gods, many older Church men have told me I'm Jesus, as the son of a God, and my "riddle speak" supports this too: '"In the final volume, Meier will explore Jesus’ tendency to speak in riddles and parables and to refer to himself by unusual titles and phrases, such as “son of man.”
“He’s making himself the ultimate riddle and parable of God by speaking in this strange, enigmatic way,” he said."' From: http://ndtoday.alumni.nd.edu/s/1210/nl- ... &pgid=6184

But most of the times, I prefer Puck, since as Tadzio maintains the Becker's Nevus of a "beast" to maintain this Human form, to the whims of whichever Gods in addition to myself, Oberon, etc. With that Jesus stuff, it's of the iurodivyi as with Prince Myshkin, but as Hadrian's Antinous is much more luxurious being one of Degas' Spartans.
http://www.worldcat.org/profiles/caroly ... sts/721062

Joseph Smith lived well after the start of the Iron Age.

Tadzio

Why are you stuck on Meier? Other than that, I wish I could understand what you're saying exactly.

Anyway, there are other experts, nonChristian, who also accept the historical Jesus.

While it's always good to read books from various authors of various views, one must also learn to discern which view is more reasonable than the others.

Yes, it had changed into the story of jesus

What kind of evidence do you need? Humanity knows about the solstice, we know it occurs. Up until recent centuries humanity did not know WHY it occurred, but prior to that we knew it occured. I have already given you the science behind the inability for a casaul observer to be able to detect the day of the solstice, so the ancients could only detect when it had come and passed, which takes at least 3 days.

Yeah, but the ancients didn't know that.

Meier is the most solid presently. If you want softer versions, try:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

A few steps further distant, and it's into loose wing-nut true-believer Land again.

If you want abuse of the word "reasonable" again, go back to WLC-Land.

Tadzio

Documents that state this and that.

Why is it we have access to all sorts of ancient myths but not one actually supports your speculation?

Surely, at least one should've noted down how the ancients observed the sun the way you believe they did. But we see none.

Meier is a Christian. I don't believe Meier is the most solid. I believe Bart Ehrman has it more spot-on than he does.

Have you ever read any of his books?

The insecure christians burnt many books belonging to prior civilisations. Anyhow, we do not need a document to tell us what can be seen. We do not need documents to tell us there is a sun, or documents that tell us there is a solstice, or documents that tell us the solstice is hard to detect as an instant in time, or that it falls on a particular day.

We actually have stone age cave paintings (from about 25000 years ago) that indicate humanity had an understanding and placed importance on the sun, moon, stars to the point they knew the moon had a cycle. We have strong evidence to show the Mesopatamians invented astrology, and the signs of the zodiacs. So this tells us that long before christianity (i.e at least 5000 years prior) humanity had strong knowledge of and placed importance on the stars and the suns cycle. Stonehenge is 3 dimensional evidence that humanity in britain went to such lengths as to drag 30 foot long stones over 20 miles in order to construct them in such a way that they could chart the solstice and equinox.

So there is no doubt that before modern religion our ancestors had very detailed knowledge of the cycles of the sun. And as I have already provided written scientific text that explains the solstice is impossible to determine in anything less than three consecutive days from the 22-24 December. That 25 December is the first day after the solstice that an observer can safely say, after watching the sunrise, that the solstice has passed and the sun is now in the ascension. Coupled with the facts that various cultures over the northern hemisphere have celebrated the passing of the solstice and had notions of the death and rebirth of the sun long before christianity. And the fact that the romans celebrated the "undefeated sun" on December 25. You should see a correlation between the story of jesus, in particular the part that has been rammed down every westerners brain about the death/ressurection of this so called god.

I am sorry if you cannot accept what I say without some written document.

Let us not forget that the documents christians rely on for their "evidence" of jesus are highly questionable texts that were written by who knows. And that the bible was written long after jesus's supposed lifetime and that we have NO documents written during jesus's life that even mention him.

In fact, Paul's letters were written a mere twenty or thirty years after Christ's time.
Also, Tacitus in the first century mentions how Christians were persecuted by the Emperor Nero. While Suetonius mentioned in the first century how a riot had broken out in Rome's Jewish quarter after it had been learned that followers of "Chrestos" were living there. As well, Nero's predecessor, Claudius, had made it a capital offense to remove the body from it's resting place - but only in Judea.
Sounds like some pretty convincing evidence for Christ's existence to me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Whether he existed or not is not my issue. My issue is that his life has been embellished by unlikely events that have no evidence one way or another, yet I am being asked to provide evidence for my speculations about these unlikely events that are said to have prophesised his birth and taken place after his death.