Feminist preoccupation with power

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09 Apr 2012, 3:39 pm

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TM, ultimately no researcher (either economist or sociologist) can fully explain the gender pay gap without resorting to assumptions, estimates, anecdotes, or generalisations. as i quoted above, even your economist conceded the limitations in the research.

Hence why it should be completely disregarded unless it includes enough variables to conclusively prove that the cause of the pay gap is based on gender discrimination. If its primarily based on other factors, such as women on average working less, picking professions that pay less, taking time out during their most productive years to have children, women voluntarily staying home to take care of the home or other issues not related to employer gender discrimination fighting for equal pay is pointless since the reason for the unequal pay is mainly related to the choices made by women/families.

Women take on lots of jobs and work many hours some times they work longer then men do.

So, when are you going to make the switch? I assume a sex change is one of your goals, since you said in the other thread that you wish you were a woman.

I wish was but if God wanted me to have been born a girl I would have but I am against sex changes it breaks the laws of nature I mean a dog might hate being one doesn't mean you can turn it into a cat.

It actually does not break the laws of nature. Some species of amphibian can spontaneously change sex in an monosexual environment for example

Dang why can't humans do that I knew that amphibians could it's a shame Homo sapiens can not.

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09 Apr 2012, 4:14 pm

Joker wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Joker wrote:

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Joker wrote:

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Women take on lots of jobs and work many hours some times they work longer then men do.

So, when are you going to make the switch? I assume a sex change is one of your goals, since you said in the other thread that you wish you were a woman.

It actually does not break the laws of nature. Some species of amphibian can spontaneously change sex in an monosexual environment for example

Dang why can't humans do that I knew that amphibians could it's a shame Homo sapiens can not.

It is probably a trait that arose from a time of extreme adversity that made continuation of the species uncertain

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09 Apr 2012, 4:15 pm

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Joker wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Joker wrote:

TM wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

Women take on lots of jobs and work many hours some times they work longer then men do.

So, when are you going to make the switch? I assume a sex change is one of your goals, since you said in the other thread that you wish you were a woman.

It actually does not break the laws of nature. Some species of amphibian can spontaneously change sex in an monosexual environment for example

Dang why can't humans do that I knew that amphibians could it's a shame Homo sapiens can not.

It is probably a trait that arose from a time of extreme adversity that made continuation of the species uncertain

If possible I would change from male to female at will that would be awesome.

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09 Apr 2012, 4:15 pm

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Okay, read this: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/heavily_armed_neo-nazis_patrol.php

Okay, now, we all know that Neo-Nazis patrolling a city in Florida to "protect white citizens" is disturbing. Other than any truly necessary protection, the whole idea is just rancid. I myself would prefer to be injured than to have a Neo-Nazi protect me.

Feminists say they aim to protect women's rights.

Uhm... how are pro-women people protecting women any different than pro-white people protecting whites?

I'd say brazen violence, but that is just me. I do not see feminists emulating the actions of David Lane, or wielding ax handles, or violently raiding parades of their "opponents" (well, I can only look at so much and might have missed something, and I am taking mostly about Eastern Europe for that last one).

I am sure you can prove that these patrols are real?

The guy who made the statement, Jeff Schoep, has a mixed-race wife and a black stepdaughter. Not really the typical NS person there. I think he is going to make some exceptions. Plus it is the same rhetoric as before, and I cannot see any sign that these people are actually doing this.

Considering the fact that neo-Nazis tend to be misogynists, you could have used basically any other group, but instead tried to make it over the top to prove your argument. Shame on you. Your comparison is weak, and you tried to cover it by saying "Well, it can't be EXACTLY like that."

I'm being nice and not commenting much on the "everyone needs to be kind to each other" prattle. Look in the mirror before you say people are going to Hell for not believing the things you do, or saying homosexuals are mentally diseased, or ANY time you talk about Catholics.

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09 Apr 2012, 4:17 pm

Do feminists advocate being paid according to needs rather than abilities?

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09 Apr 2012, 4:19 pm

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Do feminists advocate being paid according to needs rather than abilities?

I more or less asked that question but never got an answer.

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09 Apr 2012, 4:21 pm

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i'd like to see an actual quote from a feminist saying that they intend to protect all women but NOT men, yes.

[Okay, I'll play that game.]

Uh, sure thing... if you give me a quote from the Sanford, Florida Neo-Nazis saying that they intend to protect all whites but NOT blacks.

Cause it is exactly the same thing!

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09 Apr 2012, 4:26 pm

TM wrote:

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Do feminists advocate being paid according to needs rather than abilities?

I more or less asked that question but never got an answer.

Feminsts advocate being paid the same as men.

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09 Apr 2012, 4:27 pm

For the same amount of work.

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09 Apr 2012, 4:59 pm

Joker wrote:

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Do feminists advocate being paid according to needs rather than abilities?

I more or less asked that question but never got an answer.

Feminsts advocate being paid the same as men.

@Joker and Vex: Does that mean that all feminists agree on this? Because I do know that at least here feminism is heavily tied to the far-left socialist wing and generalizing about feminists is a horrible thing to do.

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09 Apr 2012, 5:02 pm

TM wrote:

Joker wrote:

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Do feminists advocate being paid according to needs rather than abilities?

I more or less asked that question but never got an answer.

Feminsts advocate being paid the same as men.

Their are left-wing and right-wing feminist in the western world.

To answer your question the answer is no.

Because I do not speak for all feminists btw not all feminists agree with the same issues.

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09 Apr 2012, 5:03 pm

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you brought up an interesting point... so you think that women should act like stereotypical men in order to get paid as much as them... and that would be a form of gender discrimination.

I think that women should be required to be a man's equal in work performance in order to get an equal paycheck. As I said about the doctors earlier, where the men made quite a bit more than the women because they worked 500 hours more per year, in that case the pay gap is perfectly reasonable. Everyone has to make choices as "having it all" is not possible. It's not gender discrimination its performance discrimination. I don't think you mean that a woman should get paid an equal check for lesser work do you? (Not a straw-man, just making sure). This doesn't include "stereotypical male behavior" it means approaching the job in the same way as the people you work with do.

If I work 40 hours a week, take every weekend off, refuse to deal with clients outside of those 40 hours and so on, it wouldn't be fair if I was paid the same check as a colleague that works 60 hours a week, 3 weekends a month and is available for clients 19 hours a day provided the extra time that person put in resulted in more work getting done.

If you were specifically referring to the testosterone and estrogen comments, I don't think I've ever met a woman who say they aren't more emotional when they have more estrogen. More emotion, can manifest in negative ways, such as snapping on clients, crying in meetings and so on. On the same note, punching a client in the face due to more testosterone would have the same negative impact.

women aren't actually less skilled at doing jobs because of their hormones, which is what you are implying. in male-dominated fields they may not be accustomed to the way some females come across, but the work performance doesn't actually suffer. hormones do not cause women to perform poorly.

and you are going off on a tangent. when people have sex change operations, they don't suddenly stop performing their jobs properly (or get better at it because they have different hormones). AND they don't cut back their hours just because they are now female. if you truly believe that women's hormones make them worse at jobs, you're going to need to back that up with some kind of evidence.

by the way... you are talking to a woman right now who doesn't get overly emotional from estrogen. *nobody* can tell where i am in my monthly cycle, not even the man i was with for 20 years. you're drawing some kind of strange conclusion there based on popular stereotypes.

and that's what this is really about. some employers may make assumptions about female employees so that even if their work is the same as a man's, they are considered less worthy.

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09 Apr 2012, 5:07 pm

TM wrote:

Joker wrote:

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Do feminists advocate being paid according to needs rather than abilities?

I more or less asked that question but never got an answer.

Feminsts advocate being paid the same as men.

that is not a specifically feminist issue. you may as well ask what feminists think of medicare.

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09 Apr 2012, 5:10 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

TM wrote:

Joker wrote:

TM wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

Do feminists advocate being paid according to needs rather than abilities?

I more or less asked that question but never got an answer.

Feminsts advocate being paid the same as men.

that is not a specifically feminist issue. you may as well ask what feminists think of medicare.

I think medicare is a good think but lacks reuglation but back on topic. I simply humored TM my dear WP mother

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09 Apr 2012, 5:17 pm

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Wow this is nuts. Seriously? Neo-Nazis patrolling around armed to protect whites is somehow equivalent to having feminist ideals? Looks like someone took the term feminazi too literally.

And with a twist of my words, a strawman is born!

What twist?

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09 Apr 2012, 5:26 pm

I don't have the attention span to read the entire first post, but feminism can mean a lot. I don't like how some left-wing lunatics (the kind of woman who blames more attractive women for all of her problems) think they have the monopoly on the definition of feminism, but you shouldn't generalize like that. Here in Norway, the most influental feminist of them all is a right-winger named Siv Jensen. I have no love for Margaret Thatcher's political views, but she was probably the most influental feminist of the entire world in the 1980's-

True feminism means that women should have the same opportunities as men and that humans without a d!ck aren't second range citizens. It has nothing to do with right-wing versus left-wing or a bizarre envy of the playboy bunnies.

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