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06 Jul 2012, 5:07 pm

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I'm sure it would be easier for them to do so if there weren't Orangemen parading through their neighborhoods every July 12.


Most Nationalists (as well as many, many Unionists) treat the 12 July with sheer indifference rather than hatred. They simply ignore it.

It wouldn't be any different in a United Ireland - the Orangemen would still parade.


Some Orangemen in Ireland can be just as bad as the Republicans.



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06 Jul 2012, 5:09 pm

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Some Orangemen in Ireland can be just as bad as the Republicans.


Should we use a minority of admittedly disgusting and offensive lodges as a pretext to demonise the entire OO?



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06 Jul 2012, 5:12 pm

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Some Orangemen in Ireland can be just as bad as the Republicans.


Should we use a minority of admittedly disgusting and offensive lodges as a pretext to demonise the entire OO?


No of course not.



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06 Jul 2012, 5:13 pm

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No of course not.


Glad to hear it - the GAA has the same problem in NI.



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06 Jul 2012, 5:14 pm

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No of course not.


Glad to hear it - the GAA has the same problem in NI.


Yes I'm afriad it does.



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06 Jul 2012, 5:16 pm

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Yes I'm afriad it does.


Some GAA clubs "commemorate" IRA terrorists, same as some OO/flute bands "commemorate" some UDA/UVF terrorists.



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06 Jul 2012, 5:18 pm

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Yes I'm afriad it does.


Some GAA clubs "commemorate" IRA terrorists, same as some OO/flute bands "commemorate" some UDA/UVF terrorists.


One thing I have noticed in my countries Media, is the over use of the word Terrorist. But your right both sides are guilty of doing those things.



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06 Jul 2012, 5:19 pm

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One thing I have noticed in my countries Media, is the over use of the word Terrorist.


That's exactly what these murder gangs were - terrorists. The PIRA were terrorists. They failed.



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06 Jul 2012, 5:23 pm

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One thing I have noticed in my countries Media, is the over use of the word Terrorist.


That's exactly what these murder gangs were - terrorists. The PIRA were terrorists. They failed.


The PIRA where a rival of the actual IRA. Though both hate the UK and. Want a united Ireland. They had diffrent views on how to acheive their goals. And a diffrent Ideology they followed/believed in. The IRA started out as the Irish Volunteers it was;n't until many years later. That they became viewed as Terrorists. Not to mention the open support they got from Irish Americans. Some of whom where in the IRA like my great great. Granfather.



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08 Jul 2012, 8:23 pm

I can't believe you're comparing the Orange Order to the Gaelic Athletic Association.
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09 Jul 2012, 9:31 am

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I can't believe you're comparing the Orange Order to the Gaelic Athletic Association.
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My point was that, in Northern Ireland, they're both tribal organisations and elements of each both 'commemorate' terrorists.



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09 Jul 2012, 3:47 pm

Some members of the GAA occasionally celebrate terrorists, whereas the Orange Order are themselves terrorists.
There's the difference. :lol:



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09 Jul 2012, 6:38 pm

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Some members of the GAA occasionally celebrate terrorists, whereas the Orange Order are themselves terrorists.


Not only do they occasionally celebrate terrorists, they actively hold events in honour of terrorists.

Excuse me? They are terrorists? Do explain. I would love to hear your reasoning.



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10 Jul 2012, 9:06 am

If the OO wasn't interested in frightening and agitating people, they would hold their parades on an airport runway, as you suggested earlier. But they won't do that, because the sole purpose of their parading is to intimidate their neighbors and incite violence. That's terrorism.
The fact that a paramilitary group, the Orange Volunteers, sprang up from the OO should also tell you something about the mindset of this group. I guess for some of them, the implied threat of violence just wasn't enough.



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10 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

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I can't believe you're comparing the Orange Order to the Gaelic Athletic Association.
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How would you characterize the soccer thugs and the rugby thugs?

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10 Jul 2012, 9:28 am

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How would you characterize the soccer thugs and the rugby thugs?


I would characterize them as thugs. People who enjoy getting together and supporting their team, but have taken it too far and become criminals. People unfamiliar with the word "sportsmanship".
Are you saying the GAA fans are soccer thugs? If they are, they certainly don't hold a monopoly on the title, and they don't lead the pack. I think that dubious distinction falls to Manchester United.