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17 Aug 2012, 1:45 pm

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You Don't fire one round and give it time to "work" before deciding to try follow up shots.


This is what I do not agree with, although it is NYPD policy.
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17 Aug 2012, 3:09 pm

Guns are awesome!! ![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c[/youtube]I want an AA-12 for Christmas!! !! !


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17 Aug 2012, 7:26 pm

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This is what I do not agree with, although it is NYPD policy.

You don't understand the effect of bullets on living things. You'd need to have at least a grasp of that to even know whether or not you agree.

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And about tasers, I still want to know why you don't like them.

We've discussed this topic in another thread.
I still think it's too easy to abuse, dehumanizing, and best left inside the fences of prisons.
All three of those should be easy enough to understand and if not, too bad.


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17 Aug 2012, 7:28 pm

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Guns are awesome!! ![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c[/youtube]I want an AA-12 for Christmas!! !! !

That'll get the job done! :D


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18 Aug 2012, 9:15 am

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It would appear that bullets are a lot more effective than pepper spray...


No sh*t? :lol:


If you read back a few pages, someone basically suggested that pepper was just as good at taking people down and we didn't guns.


Where?



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18 Aug 2012, 9:23 am

Raptor wrote:
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And about tasers, I still want to know why you don't like them.

We've discussed this topic in another thread.
I still think it's too easy to abuse, dehumanizing, and best left inside the fences of prisons.
All three of those should be easy enough to understand and if not, too bad.


And shooting a person, specifically at the CNS is not abuse? What an irony for a person who talk about 'civil rights' all the time.



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18 Aug 2012, 9:26 am

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Guns are awesome!! !
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I want an AA-12 for Christmas!! !! !


#10 mall ninja guns. No wonder.
http://www.cracked.com/funny-2939-top-1 ... inja-guns/



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18 Aug 2012, 9:33 am

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They did what they had to do in the end.


Sure but my point was elswere. How many officers were there? 20? More? And they didn't come up with any better solution than firing 12 bullets on the street full of people? Sorry but that shows something about their quality...

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If you read back a few pages, someone basically suggested that pepper was just as good at taking people down and we didn't guns.


Someone basically didn't get it.


I totally agree with you. The man is clearly mentally unstable. There is no evidence that he is aiming at attacking anyone in mind. His knife is ineffective. I don't believe the official training does not include how to handle such a man in hand to hand combat.



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18 Aug 2012, 4:34 pm

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We've discussed this topic in another thread.
I still think it's too easy to abuse, dehumanizing, and best left inside the fences of prisons.
All three of those should be easy enough to understand and if not, too bad.

I wanted, but you said I am not capable to understand your explanation so you did not.
Could you be more specific? What is the difference in abuse of taser vs gun? And dehumanization by taser vs gun?

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I don't believe the official training does not include how to handle such a man in hand to hand combat.


Maybe it does, but why to risk if they can shoot him like this with no problem. And there was officer with taser on his way, but they didn't wait and did... whatever it was.



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18 Aug 2012, 6:31 pm

aSKperger wrote:
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We've discussed this topic in another thread.
I still think it's too easy to abuse, dehumanizing, and best left inside the fences of prisons.
All three of those should be easy enough to understand and if not, too bad.

I wanted, but you said I am not capable to understand your explanation so you did not.
Could you be more specific? What is the difference in abuse of taser vs gun? And dehumanization by taser vs gun?

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I don't believe the official training does not include how to handle such a man in hand to hand combat.


Maybe it does, but why to risk if they can shoot him like this with no problem. And there was officer with taser on his way, but they didn't wait and did... whatever it was.


Tasers are interesting in that they actually cut down on how much the cops have to use the baton to deal with a non-compliant arrestee, Tasers actually lead to fewer Rodney King type incidents since they end the physical fight much more quickly than beating down the suspect.

You are comparing equipment for different sections of the force continuum. Deadly force is met with deadly force. Things like pepper gas give the user extra options aside from the gun.



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18 Aug 2012, 10:36 pm

RICKY5 wrote:
aSKperger wrote:
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We've discussed this topic in another thread.
I still think it's too easy to abuse, dehumanizing, and best left inside the fences of prisons.
All three of those should be easy enough to understand and if not, too bad.

I wanted, but you said I am not capable to understand your explanation so you did not.
Could you be more specific? What is the difference in abuse of taser vs gun? And dehumanization by taser vs gun?

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I don't believe the official training does not include how to handle such a man in hand to hand combat.


Maybe it does, but why to risk if they can shoot him like this with no problem. And there was officer with taser on his way, but they didn't wait and did... whatever it was.


Tasers are interesting in that they actually cut down on how much the cops have to use the baton to deal with a non-compliant arrestee, Tasers actually lead to fewer Rodney King type incidents since they end the physical fight much more quickly than beating down the suspect.

You are comparing equipment for different sections of the force continuum. Deadly force is met with deadly force. Things like pepper gas give the user extra options aside from the gun.

It's actually possible to overcome a Taser. All you need is just enough concentration and willpower to pull out the electrodes. That won't make it easy or less painful, and you'll probably hit the ground before overpowering the Taser. It CAN be done, though.



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19 Aug 2012, 10:13 pm

AngelRho wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
aSKperger wrote:
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We've discussed this topic in another thread.
I still think it's too easy to abuse, dehumanizing, and best left inside the fences of prisons.
All three of those should be easy enough to understand and if not, too bad.

I wanted, but you said I am not capable to understand your explanation so you did not.
Could you be more specific? What is the difference in abuse of taser vs gun? And dehumanization by taser vs gun?

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I don't believe the official training does not include how to handle such a man in hand to hand combat.


Maybe it does, but why to risk if they can shoot him like this with no problem. And there was officer with taser on his way, but they didn't wait and did... whatever it was.


Tasers are interesting in that they actually cut down on how much the cops have to use the baton to deal with a non-compliant arrestee, Tasers actually lead to fewer Rodney King type incidents since they end the physical fight much more quickly than beating down the suspect.

You are comparing equipment for different sections of the force continuum. Deadly force is met with deadly force. Things like pepper gas give the user extra options aside from the gun.

It's actually possible to overcome a Taser. All you need is just enough concentration and willpower to pull out the electrodes. That won't make it easy or less painful, and you'll probably hit the ground before overpowering the Taser. It CAN be done, though.


It is doable. It is a matter of technique, practice, and the right equipment. Equipment doesn't provide guarantees. It just improves your odds of success.



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19 Aug 2012, 11:01 pm

It pisses me the f*ck off that "machine guns"(as in fully automatic firearms) are illegal in my state of WA. Stupid liberals! :evil:

I totally want a pre-ban AK-47 auto. If I lived in NOLA or anywhere in TX, you can bet your bottom dollar I'd own one considering all the ret*d rednecks down there.



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20 Aug 2012, 9:02 am

Relocate and enjoy the pleasure of overcompensation :wink:



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20 Aug 2012, 7:52 pm

aSKperger wrote:
Relocate and enjoy the pleasure of overcompensation :wink:


Wow! That's so original! :roll:



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20 Aug 2012, 11:59 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
It pisses me the f*ck off that "machine guns"(as in fully automatic firearms) are illegal in my state of WA. Stupid liberals! :evil:

I totally want a pre-ban AK-47 auto. If I lived in NOLA or anywhere in TX, you can bet your bottom dollar I'd own one considering all the ret*d rednecks down there.

If you go down there with that attitude towards self-defense, you will likely sooner or later end up getting prosecuted and end up losing the gun. There's a huge difference between being annoying and dangerous.

How old are you anyway??? :?


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