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07 Jan 2017, 11:34 pm

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Hey to Wilburforce and all the people on the forum. Do you know any examples of people who did not quite understand consent. I am not into too much details but I am interested in the point you'll raise.

Um..... Maybe somebody who was severely mentally ret*d?
Yeah I deleted that question. Its not pleasant for anybody to answer. But I wanted to know the evidence behind what they were saying.



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07 Jan 2017, 11:35 pm

the reason i said there is NO reasonable DEBATE over trump's racist, sexist, ableist proclivities is that there is so much evidence, along with the evidence that he likely has NO core values. he doesn't pay his debts even if it means small businesses that worked for him go under. what he cares about seems to be looking good, looking rich. what high political figure hasn't been satired on SNL? how many of them tweet about it?



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07 Jan 2017, 11:37 pm

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Okay, I think I am done with this. Sorry for asking the question.

Not a problem----but, did you see how this thread got disrailed, again!! This time, YOU were part of how it got dis-railed----but, nobody fussed at you.



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07 Jan 2017, 11:38 pm

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Okay, I think I am done with this. Sorry for asking the question.

Not a problem----but, did you see how this thread got disrailed, again!! This time, YOU were part of how it got dis-railed----but, nobody fussed at you.
Yeah. Me to blame their.



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07 Jan 2017, 11:41 pm

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RetroGamer back down now this will not end well trust me I know. Wilburforce has no mercy.
Nonsense. She's intelligent. She can be reasoned with.

No, I gotta go with Shahunshah, on this one, as I've gone a round or two, myself, with her----and, IMO, she will NOT see anyone else's POV, because only HERS is "allowed" to be correct.
Debating her is tough. But cut Wilby some slack, she knows what she's talking about and is passionate. That I can appreciate.

No-no, she's got an OPINION----but, I wouldn't go so far as to say "she knows what she's talking about".



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07 Jan 2017, 11:47 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
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RetroGamer back down now this will not end well trust me I know. Wilburforce has no mercy.
Nonsense. She's intelligent. She can be reasoned with.

No, I gotta go with Shahunshah, on this one, as I've gone a round or two, myself, with her----and, IMO, she will NOT see anyone else's POV, because only HERS is "allowed" to be correct.
Debating her is tough. But cut Wilby some slack, she knows what she's talking about and is passionate. That I can appreciate.

No-no, she's got an OPINION----but, I wouldn't go so far as to say "she knows what she's talking about".
Are we gonna debate about Wilburforce now?

Some of what she says matches up with what other women on this thread have experienced. I don't agree with her on many things though and sometimes her logic is a little skewed.



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08 Jan 2017, 12:00 am

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Are we gonna debate about Wilburforce now?

LOLOL Sorry! LOL



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08 Jan 2017, 12:05 am

It's up to her if she wants to come back but nonetheless I will answer her questions.

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How would you know to what extent men have been oppressed? You've never experienced being a man.


Women have been oppressed by men pretty much all over the world for thousands of years. At what point in history did women have all the power over men?
Now you're being intentionally obtuse just to be rude to me instead of trying to have an actual discussion. Bye.


How do you know what I'm trying to do? Do you think you can read my mind?

How is what I said any different from what you said?
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Interesting that many people who haven't experienced rape are telling me what rape is all about like they know better than me who has experienced it, but that's not disrespectful. :roll:



I never said women have not been oppressed for thousands of years. I also didn't say women have all the power over men. Please don't put words in my mouth. You're better than that.

However, if you want specific examples
1. The systematic presumption of guilt by the police in rape accusations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html

2. The systematic presumption of guilt by the military in rape accusations
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/a-soldiers-story-the-travesty-of-false-allegation/

3. The systematic presumption of guilt by colleges in rape accusations
http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/17/guilty-until-proven-innocent

4. Having your gender declared "toxic"
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29757/

5. Having your entire gender blamed for the actions of a few
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/

6. Being unable to defend themselves from domestic violence
https://domestic-violence-law.com/domestic-abuse-against-men/

7. Being admitted into college at a lower rates
http://www.rooshv.com/american-men-are-being-institutionally-oppressed

8. Being denied a voice on campus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11670138/Why-are-our-universities-blocking-mens-societies.html

9. Restrictions on the number of men who can participate in college sports
http://time.com/2912420/titleix-anniversary/

10. Discrimination against boys in schools
url]https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1501125427[/url]

11. Having our motives questioned when we open up a facility for men and boys
http://globalnews.ca/news/1676642/controversial-centre-for-men-opens-in-toronto-amid-criticism/

You probably already know about all this. You said yourself men experience sexism first so you're already aware this. However, you said I was being obtuse so I thought perhaps it was being I wasn't providing any specific examples.

Is this oppression of men by women? Not always. Much of the oppression of men is enacted by other men. Yes, this is men's fault.


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08 Jan 2017, 12:16 am

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Are we gonna debate about Wilburforce now?

LOLOL Sorry! LOL

Yeah what's the point in arguing anyway. No one's mind is changed and once you get into it takes your energy.



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08 Jan 2017, 12:30 am

as someone who has performed rape exams and testified in rape trials, i can say that there is not usually a presumption of guilt. i tended to believe my patients, the police not such believers. and there are far more rapes that are never reported and reported rapists who get away with it than there are false accusations. MRA's clutch onto every false accusation as if it were the holy grail. none of it is right, not the false accusations, nor the victim shaming and blaming. my very favorite rape incident story involves two school girls who were abducted at gunpoint while i was working in the ER. the alleged rapist put down the gun to rape one. the other picked up a brick and knocked him out. the girls came in for a rape exam. not long after the alleged rapist came in for treatment for a head wound. the girls ID'd him and he was arrested.



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08 Jan 2017, 12:36 am

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as someone who has performed rape exams and testified in rape trials, i can say that there is not usually a presumption of guilt. i tended to believe my patients, the police not such believers. and there are far more rapes that are never reported and reported rapists who get away with it than there are false accusations. MRA's clutch onto every false accusation as if it were the holy grail. none of it is right, not the false accusations, nor the victim shaming and blaming. my very favorite rape incident story involves two school girls who were abducted at gunpoint while i was working in the ER. the alleged rapist put down the gun to rape one. the other picked up a brick and knocked him out. the girls came in for a rape exam. not long after the alleged rapist came in for treatment for a head wound. the girls ID'd him and he was arrested.


Good for those two girls! I hope that D-bag was convicted.


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08 Jan 2017, 12:43 am

i don't know. my ER stints lasted a month, not long enough to follow up on such things.



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08 Jan 2017, 12:51 am

Shahunshah wrote:
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Are we gonna debate about Wilburforce now?

LOLOL Sorry! LOL

Yeah what's the point in arguing anyway. No one's mind is changed and once you get into it takes your energy.

Arguing is a sport. What's the point of playing soccer?


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08 Jan 2017, 12:51 am

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as someone who has performed rape exams and testified in rape trials, i can say that there is not usually a presumption of guilt. i tended to believe my patients, the police not such believers. and there are far more rapes that are never reported and reported rapists who get away with it than there are false accusations. MRA's clutch onto every false accusation as if it were the holy grail. none of it is right, not the false accusations, nor the victim shaming and blaming. my very favorite rape incident story involves two school girls who were abducted at gunpoint while i was working in the ER. the alleged rapist put down the gun to rape one. the other picked up a brick and knocked him out. the girls came in for a rape exam. not long after the alleged rapist came in for treatment for a head wound. the girls ID'd him and he was arrested.
Touché!! Your argument is indisputable.


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08 Jan 2017, 12:54 am

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Okay, I think I am done with this. Sorry for asking the question.

Not a problem----but, did you see how this thread got disrailed, again!! This time, YOU were part of how it got dis-railed----but, nobody fussed at you.
Don't wanna beat a dead horse here. But just for the future how inappropriate was what I said?



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08 Jan 2017, 12:59 am

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However, if you want specific examples
1. The systematic presumption of guilt by the police in rape accusations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html

2. The systematic presumption of guilt by the military in rape accusations
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/a-soldiers-story-the-travesty-of-false-allegation/

3. The systematic presumption of guilt by colleges in rape accusations
http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/17/guilty-until-proven-innocent

4. Having your gender declared "toxic"
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29757/

5. Having your entire gender blamed for the actions of a few
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/

6. Being unable to defend themselves from domestic violence
https://domestic-violence-law.com/domestic-abuse-against-men/

7. Being admitted into college at a lower rates
http://www.rooshv.com/american-men-are-being-institutionally-oppressed

8. Being denied a voice on campus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11670138/Why-are-our-universities-blocking-mens-societies.html

9. Restrictions on the number of men who can participate in college sports
http://time.com/2912420/titleix-anniversary/

10. Discrimination against boys in schools
url]https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1501125427[/url]

11. Having our motives questioned when we open up a facility for men and boys
http://globalnews.ca/news/1676642/controversial-centre-for-men-opens-in-toronto-amid-criticism/

You probably already know about all this. You said yourself men experience sexism first so you're already aware this. However, you said I was being obtuse so I thought perhaps it was being I wasn't providing any specific examples.

Is this oppression of men by women? Not always. Much of the oppression of men is enacted by other men. Yes, this is men's fault.


When men, particularly white men claim to be oppressed, I can not help but laugh. Those poor men have is so tough.