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05 Feb 2017, 1:28 am

^^ I grew up poor too and work a retail job and I don't resent minority groups or think it's somehow their fault. Those people are just looking for easy scape goats. Anyone who is willing to think critically realizes that poverty and lack of jobs can be entirely attributed to the 1%.

Also, directed at Shahunshah. I agree with most of what you've said here.

@Shahunshah: it's not legitimate to blame minority groups for their suffering.


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05 Feb 2017, 1:30 am

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I dislike your attitude too lmao.

Also black people do not benefit as much from affirmative action as you and many other white people seem to think.

It actually helps people like me the most, white women. Not black people. White women.
And that's the point these people on Stormfront are mostly White males these people many of whom are poor have a legitimate reason for their anger and resentment. And sometimes when you have put under so much hardship that is hard to control. Consider this 25 million white people are in poverty twice the amount of African Americans and Latinos. Shouldn't we even out the supports given by affirmative action to help all people in severe poverty not just African Americans?



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05 Feb 2017, 1:34 am

For the record. I disagree with 99% of what Trump is saying including about illegal immigration. I just don't like how we treat the White working class.

Maybe I am wrong but sometimes I feel as though if you are a poor black person you are oppressed and if you are a poor White person living in rural Kentucky you are just a redneck.



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05 Feb 2017, 1:35 am

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^^ I grew up poor too and work a retail job and I don't resent minority groups or think it's somehow their fault. Those people are just looking for easy scape goats. Anyone who is willing to think critically realizes that poverty and lack of jobs can be entirely attributed to the 1%.

Also, directed at Shahunshah. I agree with most of what you've said here.

@Shahunshah: it's not legitimate to blame minority groups for their suffering.


Okay, I just wasn't sure who your previous post was directed at, as it was immediately beneath mine.
For the record, I'm pretty much in agreement with you as well. One Washington state guy to another. 8)


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05 Feb 2017, 1:37 am

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^^ I grew up poor too and work a retail job and I don't resent minority groups or think it's somehow their fault. Those people are just looking for easy scape goats. Anyone who is willing to think critically realizes that poverty and lack of jobs can be entirely attributed to the 1%.

Also, directed at Shahunshah. I agree with most of what you've said here.

@Shahunshah: it's not legitimate to blame minority groups for their suffering.


Okay, I just wasn't sure who your previous post was directed at, as it was immediately beneath mine.
For the record, I'm pretty much in agreement with you as well. One Washington state guy to another. 8)
Why though?



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05 Feb 2017, 1:41 am

It is not legitimate to blame minority groups for suffering I agree with that.

Those people I am trying to say have legitimate grievances and anger that has resulted in them being misguided.



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05 Feb 2017, 1:42 am

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^^ I grew up poor too and work a retail job and I don't resent minority groups or think it's somehow their fault. Those people are just looking for easy scape goats. Anyone who is willing to think critically realizes that poverty and lack of jobs can be entirely attributed to the 1%.

Also, directed at Shahunshah. I agree with most of what you've said here.

@Shahunshah: it's not legitimate to blame minority groups for their suffering.


Okay, I just wasn't sure who your previous post was directed at, as it was immediately beneath mine.
For the record, I'm pretty much in agreement with you as well. One Washington state guy to another. 8)
Why though?


Why? Because we are in agreement that people who have it the worst aren't responsible for the bad fortune of others.
That, and we're both from the same state. :lol:


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05 Feb 2017, 1:49 am

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It is not legitimate to blame minority groups for suffering I agree with that.

Those people I am trying to say have legitimate grievances and anger that has resulted in them being misguided.


The thing is though, not everyone who turns to racist ideology does so because they are disenfranchised economically. There are people who are just plainly bigoted and hateful, and resent minorities for being allowed a piece of the pie. Many want to return to what they recall as "the good old days," where only straight white men could have a piece of said pie.


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05 Feb 2017, 1:53 am

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^^ I grew up poor too and work a retail job and I don't resent minority groups or think it's somehow their fault. Those people are just looking for easy scape goats. Anyone who is willing to think critically realizes that poverty and lack of jobs can be entirely attributed to the 1%.


So is it done save to conclude that you are not in support of the cheap labour lobby?



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05 Feb 2017, 2:03 am

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^^ I grew up poor too and work a retail job and I don't resent minority groups or think it's somehow their fault. Those people are just looking for easy scape goats. Anyone who is willing to think critically realizes that poverty and lack of jobs can be entirely attributed to the 1%.


So is it done save to conclude that you are not in support of the cheap labour lobby?

I don't support taking advantage of poor immigrants, if that is what you're asking. If you're suggesting I should be anti immigration because of that, I'm afraid I'm still quite pro immigration. Immigrants shouldn't be punished because of cooperate greed taking advantage of them.


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05 Feb 2017, 2:19 am

I don't think that poor people are to blame at all, Black, Immigrant, White or Hispanic.

But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.

So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.



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05 Feb 2017, 2:21 am

In hindsight I probably would have supported Jim Webb the person looked promising.



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05 Feb 2017, 2:23 am

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I don't think that poor people are to blame at all, Black, Immigrant, White or Hispanic.

But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.

So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.


While that is commendable, would that same Stormfront member do the same for a racial or sexual minority?


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05 Feb 2017, 2:25 am

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In hindsight I probably would have supported Jim Webb the person looked promising.


While I don't like Webb's stance on gays in the military, I still like what I know of his other positions.


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05 Feb 2017, 2:28 am

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In hindsight I probably would have supported Jim Webb the person looked promising.


While I don't like Webb's stance on gays in the military, I still like what I know of his other positions.

I agree with you on that. I like that fact he is a bit more conservatively minded and sees the other side. But that has its downsides.

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I don't think that poor people are to blame at all, Black, Immigrant, White or Hispanic.

But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.

So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.


While that is commendable, would that same Stormfront member do the same for a racial or sexual minority?
Probably not. But that is not because the guy lacks empathy it is because of the fact that he views another minority as evil. This person still wants to do good.

Jesus I think I am getting emotional in this.



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05 Feb 2017, 2:31 am

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I don't support taking advantage of poor immigrants, if that is what you're asking.


Problem of course is that big business does push for a certain immigration policy. So may I ask what kind of changes to America's immigration policy , or just domestic policy in general, so that the so called 1% can no longer use immigration to their advantage?