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I am for freedom of speech.
And freedom of association.
Americans should continue to have the freedom to join the Nazi Party and wave swastika flags.
But I don't fault modern Germany for outlawing the Nazi party and its emblem.
Americans should have the freedom to preach against homosexuality. Not saying that that is as bad as promoting Nazism, but it is controversial. But though half population doesn't like gay bashing its still freedom of speech.
But if Canada slaps you on the wrist for preaching against homosexuality that's Canada's business. Its not like Canada's persecuting Christians, and feeding them to lions. Its not even McCarthyism (have you now, or have you ever preached against homosexuality?). That little bit of a curb on the freedom of speech by preachers in another country just doesn't get any dander up in me.
Sorry.
And freedom of association.
Americans should continue to have the freedom to join the Nazi Party and wave swastika flags.
But I don't fault modern Germany for outlawing the Nazi party and its emblem.
Americans should have the freedom to preach against homosexuality. Not saying that that is as bad as promoting Nazism, but it is controversial. But though half population doesn't like gay bashing its still freedom of speech.
But if Canada slaps you on the wrist for preaching against homosexuality that's Canada's business. Its not like Canada's persecuting Christians, and feeding them to lions. Its not even McCarthyism (have you now, or have you ever preached against homosexuality?). That little bit of a curb on the freedom of speech by preachers in another country just doesn't get any dander up in me.
Sorry.
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Sections 318, 319, and 320 of the Code forbid hate propaganda. "Hate propaganda" means "any writing, sign or visible representation that advocates or promotes genocide or the communication of which by any person would constitute an offence under section 319."
Section 318 prescribes imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years for anyone who advocates genocide. The Code defines genocide as the destruction of an "identifiable group." The Code defines an "identifiable group" as "any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation."
Section 319 prescribes penalties from a fine to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years for anyone who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace.
Under section 319, an accused is not guilty:
(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;
(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;
(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or
(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
Section 320 allows a judge to confiscate publications which appear to be hate propaganda.
Section 318 prescribes imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years for anyone who advocates genocide. The Code defines genocide as the destruction of an "identifiable group." The Code defines an "identifiable group" as "any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation."
Section 319 prescribes penalties from a fine to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years for anyone who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace.
Under section 319, an accused is not guilty:
(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;
(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;
(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or
(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
Section 320 allows a judge to confiscate publications which appear to be hate propaganda.
This link has more details on the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission v Whatcott ruling. The Court held that, although Bible passages, biblical beliefs and the principles derived from those beliefs can be legally and reasonably advanced in public discourse, extreme manifestations of the emotion described by the words "detestation" and "vilification" cannot be.
In a nut shell, in lay terms: you can preach all day against homosexuality as long as you don't advocate lynching homosexuals.
Doesn't sound all of that oppressive a law to me!
If that rather innocuous Canadian law is all that this thread is about then I think that we all can move on.
You mean it doesn't sound like a horrible restriction on free speech, to no longer be allowed to advocate for violence or talk about groups as though they were subhuman? Isn't that the free speech killing political correctness we're told so much about?
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...I've only read your post here ~ But what cases can you cite of people, anywhere, being imprisoned for pulpit preaching against homosexuality WITHOUT THERE BEING OTHER FACTORS than simply preaching in a church/similar situation?
Say , (arguably) violent harassment, threats, other. Preaching " normally " only, nothing else.
rvacountrysinger wrote:
In some countries, Christian ministers can be put in jail simply for stating what the Bible says about homosexuality. That it is a sin. Some are calling this "hate speech". Anything preached from the pulpit against homosexuality can be met with legal ramifications. I find this very disturbing. It is one thing to bully or threaten someone, but our religious freedoms must be protected. I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but it can be overcome. God loves the homosexuals as sinners, but he doesn't approve of homosexuality. Because it goes against the divine purpose of male and female relationships- in which we were created. Just because someone views homosexuality as a sin, doesn't mean they hate homosexuals. Quite the contrary! It means they love them enough to tell them the truth. We can pray for homosexuals to be delivered. God is very merciful.
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