Greenspan Chides Republicans For Pushing To Extend Bush Tax

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20 Nov 2010, 12:51 am

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Aspies/auties are not broken, just different from neurotypicals, and an inherent lack of responsibility is not one of the differences.

You have a lot of nerve to go accusing people you don't know of lacking responsibility.

Did you miss the "not" in what I wrote, or are you just projecting?

No. By the way you responded to me, you were clearly making the inference that aspies/auties who, for whatever reason, can't "make it" like you did (supposedly) are just not "trying hard enough".

Correction: you were reading something into what I wrote that was not there.

If I didn't actually write it, I probably didn't mean it. If you're not sure what I mean, ask for a clarification and you'll get it.

Or, go ahead and continue to make incorrect and foolish looking assumptions.

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Why not address the "just world fallacy" that's always you guys' fallback for sweeping big issues under the rug.

Perhaps you should ask what I actually believe in that area instead of making more incorrect assumptions.



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20 Nov 2010, 1:50 am

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You've quite clearly never had any first hand experience with job loss or illness. How fortunate for you. For the rest of us who have been dealt a few bad cards here and there, I will continue to speak up.

You are making false assumptions. I've had to change jobs quite a few times. Once I laid myself off, because the little practice I was in charge of couldn't support two people, and laying off the person who worked for me wouldn't have been the right decision for the company.

The fact is, if people take responsibility for their situation, they can work their way out of it. Lose your job? Find another one. Those jobs don't exist any more? Learn new skills. Lifetime jobs don't exist; people need to take responsibility for their own careers and do what it takes to stay in the job market.

I've certainly had experience with illness and conditions that handicap me in the job market. I fixed what I could fix and figured out how to work with things I couldn't fix. Sure, it takes me three times as long to find a job as it would a neurotypical - so I spend less and save more when I have a job. It's a fact of life; if you accept it, you can work with it instead of railing against it.

I notice you aren't even aspie/autie - you have no clue what most of the people on this forum have to deal with when working in the neurotypical economy. Yet, it's possible to deal with those issues if one takes responsibility for one's own life.


What was your purpose in this arrogant and patronizing little lecture to number5? You are telling her and others that they should not complain or dare criticize the awfulness of the current health insurance system or wish for something better. To you anyone who see's something wrong with the current status quo is just a whiner, right?



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20 Nov 2010, 9:02 am

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Yeah it helps to actually live in the same town that the University you attend is in. As to the bill, I managed to get grants and moneys like any other student can. I was extremely lucky that one of my parents was well educated in the laws and knew my rights cause yeah State Run institutions will try to deny you accomodations if they think they can get away with it.
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Governments grants at a state run school? Socialist! :)

Many students, even with grants and/or scholorships, still need some additional funding to cover total costs that part-time jobs usually don't cover. Some are fortunate enough to have help from their parents, but others need to take out loans. The ones with loans have to dig out before even getting started. No real point here, just a little insight into why it might be harder for others, by no fault of their own.

And please don't have any false notions about the private sector being any better about accomodations. It's sad, but there's a ton of discrimination against disabilities of all sorts, and it usually comes down to cost vs. perceived benefit. The ADA only goes so far, and it generally does nothing about changing the perception of disabilities (not that it necessarily should). Until the general public learns to value the disabled, no significant change will happen. We're getting there, but it's a slow process.



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20 Nov 2010, 9:04 am

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@ psychohist

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You've quite clearly never had any first hand experience with job loss or illness. How fortunate for you. For the rest of us who have been dealt a few bad cards here and there, I will continue to speak up.

You are making false assumptions. I've had to change jobs quite a few times. Once I laid myself off, because the little practice I was in charge of couldn't support two people, and laying off the person who worked for me wouldn't have been the right decision for the company.

The fact is, if people take responsibility for their situation, they can work their way out of it. Lose your job? Find another one. Those jobs don't exist any more? Learn new skills. Lifetime jobs don't exist; people need to take responsibility for their own careers and do what it takes to stay in the job market.

I've certainly had experience with illness and conditions that handicap me in the job market. I fixed what I could fix and figured out how to work with things I couldn't fix. Sure, it takes me three times as long to find a job as it would a neurotypical - so I spend less and save more when I have a job. It's a fact of life; if you accept it, you can work with it instead of railing against it.

I notice you aren't even aspie/autie - you have no clue what most of the people on this forum have to deal with when working in the neurotypical economy. Yet, it's possible to deal with those issues if one takes responsibility for one's own life.


What was your purpose in this arrogant and patronizing little lecture to number5? You are telling her and others that they should not complain or dare criticize the awfulness of the current health insurance system or wish for something better. To you anyone who see's something wrong with the current status quo is just a whiner, right?


Agreed. You weren't so much reading into it, but rather just plain reading it.



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22 Nov 2010, 11:38 pm

I think the worst people do is to not read this, sunpowerportcom. So read it now. :D



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25 Nov 2010, 10:49 pm

I see it now. The Voodoo Economics crowd, aka the Masters of the Universe, they'll say, "Greenspan failed, is discredited so when he says that Markets are not really Self-Correcting and Perfect, and now says the tax cuts should not be extended, no one should listen as he is a failure and is discredited." Hahahaha!



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26 Nov 2010, 1:07 pm

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I see it now. The Voodoo Economics crowd, aka the Masters of the Universe, they'll say, "Greenspan failed, is discredited so when he says that Markets are not really Self-Correcting and Perfect, and now says the tax cuts should not be extended, no one should listen as he is a failure and is discredited." Hahahaha!


I guess the rule of law doesn't mean anything when it isn't politically conveinent either... :roll:

As we dig ourselves out of the Great Recession, investors must cope with an additional risk: the threat of government abrogation of legal rights for political reasons. Even Warren Buffet bemoaned the Chrysler situation: “If we want to encourage lending in this country, we don’t want to say to somebody who lends and gets a secured position that the secured position doesn’t mean anything.”
http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/20 ... r-assault/



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26 Nov 2010, 3:40 pm

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I see it now. The Voodoo Economics crowd, aka the Masters of the Universe, they'll say, "Greenspan failed, is discredited so when he says that Markets are not really Self-Correcting and Perfect, and now says the tax cuts should not be extended, no one should listen as he is a failure and is discredited." Hahahaha!


I guess the rule of law doesn't mean anything when it isn't politically conveinent either... :roll:

As we dig ourselves out of the Great Recession, investors must cope with an additional risk: the threat of government abrogation of legal rights for political reasons. Even Warren Buffet bemoaned the Chrysler situation: “If we want to encourage lending in this country, we don’t want to say to somebody who lends and gets a secured position that the secured position doesn’t mean anything.”


http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/20 ... r-assault/


So better to let these things go bankrupt so they can LOSE IT ALL! If GM went under they lose everything. How dare they complain. Off with their heads.

The rocket docket is a far greater injustice than this could ever be and in this case these people won sweetheart deals through brute force and taking them to the cleaners, if that's what's needed, then go ahead.



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26 Nov 2010, 11:21 pm

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I see it now. The Voodoo Economics crowd, aka the Masters of the Universe, they'll say, "Greenspan failed, is discredited so when he says that Markets are not really Self-Correcting and Perfect, and now says the tax cuts should not be extended, no one should listen as he is a failure and is discredited." Hahahaha!


I guess the rule of law doesn't mean anything when it isn't politically conveinent either... :roll:

As we dig ourselves out of the Great Recession, investors must cope with an additional risk: the threat of government abrogation of legal rights for political reasons. Even Warren Buffet bemoaned the Chrysler situation: “If we want to encourage lending in this country, we don’t want to say to somebody who lends and gets a secured position that the secured position doesn’t mean anything.”


http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/20 ... r-assault/


So better to let these things go bankrupt so they can LOSE IT ALL! If GM went under they lose everything. How dare they complain. Off with their heads.

The rocket docket is a far greater injustice than this could ever be and in this case these people won sweetheart deals through brute force and taking them to the cleaners, if that's what's needed, then go ahead.


Companies don't disappear if they go through Bankruptcy, otherwise most of the Airline companies in existance today wouldn't be here. Stop trying the alarmism justification especially when the person you are trying to alarm studies a lot of history.



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26 Nov 2010, 11:51 pm

Shareholders are wiped out in bankruptcy and take a haircut in cases of bankruptcy protection and reorganisation.