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Both times they where reversed, because no one wants religion in the school, why is this so difficult for you to believe? They are motivated because they think they always think they have popular support, and they never do, at least not in regards to religion in school.

I never said they don't exist simon I simply claimed they don't have the influence Orwell's generalization would require. and doubting evolution is not the same as tweaking education policy based on your own beliefs.

http://www.kansas.com/2009/10/06/100080 ... ution.html < this poll?



EDIT: @inu The representative was condemned and fired for violating policy. And Orwell doesn't compare to the liberals I was describing.

I never said it was difficult to believe that the majority of voters don't want pro-creationist science standards. They did throw out creationists twice. I'm just noting that there is an unusually active sect of creationists in the state.

Hopefully they can keep them out from now on because it doesnt do anyone any good to elect them in the first place.

Yes, that's the poll that shows that Kansas science teachers themselves are not the problem.

I've explained this to you before, but you are still too thick to understand. I do not support the PPACA, I just think most right-wing criticisms of it are absurd and histrionic. There are plenty of actual legitimate criticisms to make; why does the Right feel the need to resort to fantasy and paranoid fear-mongering?


Which is why I call you a moron.


What a load of crap. I've been quite clear in condemning socialism.


You claimed I "loved Stalin and the USSR."


"Socialist theology" is a bit of an oxymoron.


Of the two of us, you are the one who does not understand all of what socialism entails. You and other Beckites think that any government is socialism; this is untrue. Socialism refers to a radical reordering of all of society, almost always involving bloody revolt. I've explained it to you before, but again... you are far too simple-minded to follow anything that isn't spoon-fed to you by a fat Mormon with a chalkboard.


Not remotely true. I can't even think of any place where I would desire to significantly expand America's social programs, which are pretty bare-bones compared to the rest of the civilized world (all of which is still capitalistic).


You have no idea what either of those words mean. Are you still persisting in your delusion that socialism and fascism are the same thing?


"Creationism" is shorthand for "Young-Earth Creationism" which is demonstrably a load of crap.


That's already been refuted.


Really? I eat beef (and lots of it), I have no objection to processed foods, I know that homeopathy is a giant scam, and I am all in favor of GMO. Doesn't sound like a typical Whole Foods Liberal.

How is it unusually active? We have an 86% Christian demographic(wiki), lacking a fundy sect would be unusual.



They do not make themselves clear until after they are elected. Foolish at best idiotic at worst.

No can do. If you get to call liberals communists and fascists then we get to call you a bloody bigot for trying to smear everyone who disagrees with you. If you go down that road you'll get no respect.

And the ironic part of it is that I'm not even a liberal. I oppose democracy. I would support a ban on partial-birth abortion (with obvious medical exemptions). I'm not in favor of stricter gun control. There are a couple cabinet-level departments that I think should be completely eliminated. I actually want a balanced budget. How are any of those "liberal" positions?

It isn't fear mongering, it is called not trusting politicians which is actually realism. Also there is the fallen nature of humans to consider. I trust Government even less than I trust an insurance company.



There you go again.



Then why do you turn around and then support a nanny state?



Source please because I'm not sure that its being taken in context.



Not really, it is a kind of theology where one worships the state or the community.



Kinda funny when the big boned mormon tends to be accurate at an alarming rate, yet he's supposedly crazy? If someone continuely comes to conclusions based on facts, how is that crazy? I am not saying Beck is always right, there are times I find him too depressing to watch. That said, he does his homework, how about you actually visit his site sometime (which I don't cause I like to find things independently instead of simply using links on his site) and hunt around for the research yourself. He does do his homework, and he tells people to frequently do their own research not just take his word for things.

Additionally, how is demanding that Government balance its budget and stop spending outside its means crazy?



Then why do you see no problem with Obamacare involving the individual mandate?



They both involve Government controlling everything, in other words the state is mother, the state is father.



How did life begin then? I am of the mindset time has no meaning to God, that and humans of the period when the old testament was written probably would have a tough time understanding the concept that the Earth was a few billion years old.



Apparently not, and in fact some left wing media outlets have apparently been trying to defend planned parenthood.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer ... lanned-par

Btw, of course they would fire people in the video after people saw the video. Seriously, they want to give the appearence of respectability. Does throwing someone under the bus mean anything to you?

Also there is a pattern of behavior that seems to support the more cynical view of the situation.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/02/08 ... ids-young/

Oh there are links in the the news article which source actual reports (assuming they weren't taken down).



I am not talking about PETA and what the heck is a Whole Foods Liberal and how are they different from your branch of Liberalism?

He doesn't care what they mean. The truth is words like "fascism" and "communism" are already negatively loaded. That's the only reason people like Inuyasha like to throw them at people who disagree with their ideology.

Also, anyone can make an invalid strawman or slippery slope argument to tie someone to an ideology more extreme than the views they actually espouse. Inuyasha opposes same sex marriage and abortion. ZOMG he wants to impose a theocracy!! !!!111 Inuyasha wants religious tyranny just like the Taliban and the Mullahs in Iran!! !!

They are actually quite similar in the respects of Government control, how they get there may look different, but the results are basically the same.



Huh? Where the heck did you come up with that clear out of the blue?

First of all I'm for limited Government based on the United States Constitution, second of all I'm not even muslim, let alone a radical muslim.

Seriously, did you escape from the funny farm or something? (being semi-serious)

hmmm wish I had a burrito.

And how does this make using these words to describe all people who disagree with you OK?


Now you understand how Orwell feels when you call him a "communist" or "fascist".

What did I say that gives you that impression?


That's verbatim. It was in the context of you being ignorant of WWII history.


Except that he isn't. Ever since the pro-democracy movements in the Middle East started, he's been going on about how radical Muslims are going to take over Europe (how?) and how the Muslim Brotherhood (which is not linked to any terrorist attacks, and is very right-wing) is somehow a Marxist Communist group that's going to attack us.


Learn to read. I just told you that I don't support the PPACA. A very large number of the Republicans currently bitching about the mandate being "unconstitutional" actually supported the individual mandate for years. The only reason they oppose it now is because Obama supports it.


Pretty sure I already explained to you that Communism (and some variants of Socialism) are actually anarchist in nature. That means there is no government to control everything. And even in the case of state-directed socialism, the nature of the state and what it does differs dramatically from fascism.


That question doesn't even fall within the realm of evolutionary biology.


The health-nuts and paranoid eco-phreaks that Ickorack referenced.

~ Capital punishment advocate, 2011.

I eat at whole foods from time to time. They have a nice little buffet set up.

These people arent just rejecting abiogenesis theories about the origins of life, they are rejecting the evolution of man. Gallup has run the poll for 30 years and one just came out last December. In that poll you've got 4 in 10 Americans saying that God created man in his present form in the past 10,000 years. That's down from past years but still pretty bad.

That's because creationists are dedicated liars who constantly look to spread disinformation. Casual believers can get swept up in it without really understanding the issues involved.

You'll notice that their the influence of Creationism is not spreading it is shrinking, how can affirm that they are spreading their ideas in propagandistic(>.<, what an absurd word) like ways if it is not actually maintaining their influence as propaganda like style often does? Change is slow, but this change is at least steady and thats really all that can be expected.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolut ... esign.aspx

I can affirm it because Ive experienced it, as has my gf. Ive known creationists in real life and heard their appeals, and Ive followed their antics nationally for three decades and on the internet for two. I'm quite familiar with them. My gf used to be a fundamentalist, but not a creationist, and she's witnessed their behavior as well.

In 1982 it was 44%, in 2010 it was 40%. Seeing as creationism skews toward an older demographic, they are either successfully replacing their numbers or they have undead followers. And Creationism goes back long before 1982.