Poll about Legalized Prostitution
Oh, it's okay. I'm not really an abusive sort of bloke. If no-one wants my money, then fine.
You need to think about where the money is going. I don't know, it must be pretty obvious where the 'bad' brothels are.
In some parts of Europe, handicapped folks are increasingly making use of the services of harlots
http://www.myhandicap.com/disability-prostitut.html
All that you are doing is squirting semen. Same difference.
The emotional value is different.
Intimate relationships are not only a prerequisite to sex.
Uhhhh NO. They are not. Plenty of women and men do indeed have sex outside of intimate relationships and enjoy doing so.
They have value in themselves. From that point of view, sex is just an aspect of the relationship, not its sole object.
Correct. But the fact that sex is part of intimate relationships does not imply that they can't be mutually exclusive.
Here you can see the mug shots of a bunch of poor souls caught in a prostitution sting in Joliet, Illinois
http://www.wlsam.com/sectional.asp?id=40135&cid=1
This would be certainly the low end of the market. And, no-one appears to be a kidnapped teenager.
http://www.wlsam.com/sectional.asp?id=40135&cid=1
This would be certainly the low end of the market. And, no-one appears to be a kidnapped teenager.
Um, you don't know. No-one looks underaged, but some of them could be trafficked. Also, you don't know the history of their lives. Some of them look like drug addicts. Besides, one case doesn't represent all cases - and the problem with punters is that they often don't give a s**t, and neither do governments.
Of course I don't know anyone in the pictures. But, I'm certain that if the police had uncovered an actual trafficking ring, then it would have been all over the newspapers. The one case that the newspaper did cover was a woman with four kids and no money to pay the rent. As far as I can tell, these are simply random people seeking to exchange money (which wouldn't be illegal by itself) for services (which would also otherwise be legal).
By the by, an interesting report can be downloaded here
http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/r ... and-rights
And, ten reasons to decriminalize sex work
http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/p ... e-sex-work
This document provides ten reasons why decriminalizing sex work is the best policy for promoting health and human rights for sex workers, their families, and communities. Removing criminal prosecution of sex work goes hand-in-hand with recognizing sex work as work and protecting the rights of sex workers through workplace health and safety standards. Decriminalizing sex work means sex workers are more likely to live without stigma, social exclusion, and fear of violence.
Decriminalizing sex working is the lesser evil as it reduces some of the dangers.
However, it is still wrong to use that industry, the odds you will be financing trafficking directly or indirectly are too large.
I see prostitution as abortion. It would be ideal f it didn't happened. And perhaps one day it will not happen. But making it illegal is not the way to accomplish that.
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Wait a minute. What studies are these? Who was doing the studies? And, why are you busy reading all of these studies?
Sorry, I read it a long time ago. I know that sounds like a cop out. I don't read lots of studies, I just remember the ones I have read.
This actually sounds like something that you might have read in a Grocery Store Women's Magazine. They usually have rather sleazy story lines. Like "50 Ways to Make the Guy Standing in Line Behind You Jizz in his Pants."
Well, here is a case
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/09/arizon ... ?hpt=hp_t2
Authorities are still searching for 17 more people -- all of whom have been indicted -- in connection with the prostitution enterprise, said Sgt. Steve Martos, a Phoenix police spokesman. The 20 people arrested so far have been charged with prostitution or other offenses, police said.
During a Wednesday search of the Phoenix temple and two church-related sites in nearby Sedona, police seized evidence showing that "male and female 'practitioners' working at the Temple were performing sexual acts in exchange for monetary 'donations,' all on the pretense of providing 'neo tantric' healing therapies," Phoenix police said.
The alleged brothel generated tens of thousands of dollars a month, Martos told CNN.
A history of neighbor complaints, a recent Phoenix newspaper article, and the temple's website were among the factors prompting authorities to conduct the undercover investigation, Martos said.
"What's unusual is that they were trying to hide behind religion or church, and under the guise of religious freedom, they were committing acts of prostitution," Martos said.
"We certainly respect First Amendment rights. However, religious freedom does not allow for criminal acts," Martos said.
Regarding the Goddess Temple's website, he said: "What they would talk about would seem to be religion. At the same time, they were implying or intimating that they were giving sex therapy."
The website says at one point: "Sex is a holy, sacred and divine healing force at the core (of) our beings. Once we embrace this force instead of deny it, we become successful, happy and powerful manifestors."
The website also features unclothed women, listed as residing in several states, under a "Goddesses" section.
The investigation focused on the alleged crimes, said acting Phoenix Police Chief Joe Yahner.
Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery added in a statement: "Freedom of religion does not allow individuals to trade sex for money, no matter how the transaction is portrayed."
The alleged madam, Tracy Elise, who is in her 50s, was arrested and charged with prostitution, illegal control of an enterprise, pandering, and operating a house of prostitution, police said.
Elise was allegedly involved in a similar suspected brothel in Seattle, Washington, which authorities shut down in 2009, Phoenix police said.
Elise or her attorney could not be immediately reached for comment.
Others named in the indictment face charges including conspiracy, working in a house of prostitution, and massaging without a license. A total of 33 people have been indicted, but during Wednesday's search of the Phoenix temple, police arrested four more people not named in the indictment, Martos said.
Four of the 20 people arrested are men, and two of the four are alleged prostitutes, Martos said. The other two men are a website operator and a school director-teacher at the temple, he said.
The other people arrested are women, he added....
Here is the Phoenix Goddess Temple's website
http://www.phoenixgoddesstemple.org/
Huffington Post video
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/1 ... 56835.html
So far, no-one has invoked the Lawrence v. Texas case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
Lawrence explicitly overruled Bowers, holding that it had viewed the liberty interest too narrowly. The Court held that intimate consensual sexual conduct was part of the liberty protected by substantive due process under the Fourteenth Amendment. Lawrence invalidated similar laws throughout the United States that criminalized sodomy between consenting adults acting in private, whatever the sex of the participants
If we have the right to consensual sex within our own homes, then maybe we also have the right to paid consensual sex?
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1. Whether the petitioners' criminal convictions under the Texas "Homosexual Conduct" law — which criminalizes sexual intimacy by same-sex couples, but not identical behavior by different-sex couples — violate the Fourteenth Amendment guarantee of equal protection of the laws?
2. Whether the petitioners' criminal convictions for adult consensual sexual intimacy in their home violate their vital interests in liberty and privacy protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment?
3. Whether Bowers v. Hardwick should be overruled?
It would appear that Lawrence v. Texas might not be applicable to prostitution, because Lawrence v. Texas referred to different laws being applied to same-sex intimacy versus different-sex intimacy. As long as homosexual and heterosexual prostitutes are governed by identical laws, then we might not be able to build a case based upon Lawrence v. Texas.
http://www.wlsam.com/sectional.asp?id=40135&cid=1
This would be certainly the low end of the market. And, no-one appears to be a kidnapped teenager.
Um, you don't know. No-one looks underaged, but some of them could be trafficked. Also, you don't know the history of their lives. Some of them look like drug addicts. Besides, one case doesn't represent all cases - and the problem with punters is that they often don't give a sh**, and neither do governments.
Human sex trafficking - in Western countries at least - doesn't exist. Mosy people are prostitutes who travel abroad to foreign countries to make a better life for themselves, and possibly their kiddywinks and wider families either here or back home. Human trafficking is almost entirely a luevl jumped upon by sex-negativw feminists to help to muddy the waters, and by doing so, stigmatise ALL johns. Bing it out into the open, make it all competitive, cheap, clean and safe for BOTH parties, for heaven's sake.
I have met teenage girls who have fallen in with some very nasty gangster types, but this stuff certainly wouldn't be indilged in semi-openly.
