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dispute away. you're going to have to do better than the post where you claim men are oppressed ( I think they are by being expected to live up to some macho standard) because i couldn't force myself to read beyond the first article after finding it had little to do with the claim you said it supported. two false accusations don't add up to systemic oppression.
1. The systematic presumption of guilt by the police in rape accusations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html
2. The systematic presumption of guilt by the military in rape accusations
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/a-soldiers-story-the-travesty-of-false-allegation/
3. The systematic presumption of guilt by colleges in rape accusations
http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/17/guilty-until-proven-innocent
4. Having your gender declared "toxic"
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29757/
5. Having your entire gender blamed for the actions of a few
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/
6. Being unable to defend themselves from domestic violence
https://domestic-violence-law.com/domestic-abuse-against-men/
7. Being admitted into college at a lower rates
http://www.rooshv.com/american-men-are-being-institutionally-oppressed
8. Being denied a voice on campus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11670138/Why-are-our-universities-blocking-mens-societies.html
9. Restrictions on the number of men who can participate in college sports
http://time.com/2912420/titleix-anniversary/
10. Discrimination against boys in schools
url]https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1501125427[/url]
11. Having our motives questioned when we open up a facility for men and boys
http://globalnews.ca/news/1676642/controversial-centre-for-men-opens-in-toronto-amid-criticism/
You probably already know about all this. You said yourself men experience sexism first so you're already aware this. However, you said I was being obtuse so I thought perhaps it was being I wasn't providing any specific examples.
Is this oppression of men by women? Not always. Much of the oppression of men is enacted by other men. Yes, this is men's fault.
When men, particularly white men claim to be oppressed, I can not help but laugh. Those poor men have is so tough.
Stop denigrating White Americans many of them have it tough. We got to reach out to those people.
1. The systematic presumption of guilt by the police in rape accusations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html
2. The systematic presumption of guilt by the military in rape accusations
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/a-soldiers-story-the-travesty-of-false-allegation/
3. The systematic presumption of guilt by colleges in rape accusations
http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/17/guilty-until-proven-innocent
4. Having your gender declared "toxic"
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29757/
5. Having your entire gender blamed for the actions of a few
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/
6. Being unable to defend themselves from domestic violence
https://domestic-violence-law.com/domestic-abuse-against-men/
7. Being admitted into college at a lower rates
http://www.rooshv.com/american-men-are-being-institutionally-oppressed
8. Being denied a voice on campus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11670138/Why-are-our-universities-blocking-mens-societies.html
9. Restrictions on the number of men who can participate in college sports
http://time.com/2912420/titleix-anniversary/
10. Discrimination against boys in schools
url]https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1501125427[/url]
11. Having our motives questioned when we open up a facility for men and boys
http://globalnews.ca/news/1676642/controversial-centre-for-men-opens-in-toronto-amid-criticism/
You probably already know about all this. You said yourself men experience sexism first so you're already aware this. However, you said I was being obtuse so I thought perhaps it was being I wasn't providing any specific examples.
Is this oppression of men by women? Not always. Much of the oppression of men is enacted by other men. Yes, this is men's fault.
When men, particularly white men claim to be oppressed, I can not help but laugh. Those poor men have is so tough.
Stop denigrating White Americans many of them have it tough. We got to reach out to those people.
are you being sarcastic? raw numbers don't tell the story. the % of minorites who live in poverty is much higher,
1. The systematic presumption of guilt by the police in rape accusations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html
2. The systematic presumption of guilt by the military in rape accusations
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/a-soldiers-story-the-travesty-of-false-allegation/
3. The systematic presumption of guilt by colleges in rape accusations
http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/17/guilty-until-proven-innocent
4. Having your gender declared "toxic"
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29757/
5. Having your entire gender blamed for the actions of a few
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/
6. Being unable to defend themselves from domestic violence
https://domestic-violence-law.com/domestic-abuse-against-men/
7. Being admitted into college at a lower rates
http://www.rooshv.com/american-men-are-being-institutionally-oppressed
8. Being denied a voice on campus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11670138/Why-are-our-universities-blocking-mens-societies.html
9. Restrictions on the number of men who can participate in college sports
http://time.com/2912420/titleix-anniversary/
10. Discrimination against boys in schools
url]https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1501125427[/url]
11. Having our motives questioned when we open up a facility for men and boys
http://globalnews.ca/news/1676642/controversial-centre-for-men-opens-in-toronto-amid-criticism/
You probably already know about all this. You said yourself men experience sexism first so you're already aware this. However, you said I was being obtuse so I thought perhaps it was being I wasn't providing any specific examples.
Is this oppression of men by women? Not always. Much of the oppression of men is enacted by other men. Yes, this is men's fault.
When men, particularly white men claim to be oppressed, I can not help but laugh. Those poor men have is so tough.
Stop denigrating White Americans many of them have it tough. We got to reach out to those people.
are you being sarcastic? raw numbers don't tell the story. the % of minorites who live in poverty is much higher,
I did not say this but the median African American income is actually only slightly higher 39,000 than it is for the median African American income 35,000.
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As you said, when you dealt with rape investigations, there was no presumption of guilt. Not all proceedings are so enlightened. Not everyone wants to keep it that way.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect to eliminate false rape accusations from society. Just as I don't expect we'll ever eliminate burglary or fraud or any kind of crime. As I said, the "systematic" part does not come from the accusers.
Of course men are expected to live up to a macho standard. Sometimes by women but often by other men. I'm not saying we should eliminate the macho elements of our culture. Moving men from one small box to another won't help anyone. I'd like to see a culture based around individual differences.
I was once involved with a woman who false rape accusations against other men and I was scared. You might not think that's very macho of me but I think I had good reason to be scared. I'm not in contact with her anymore.
I'm not trying to say I was more scared of her than women are of potential rapists. I don't think that way. It doesn't matter who has it worse. All problems are serious even when other people have worse problems.
If Fred broke his arm and Barney broke both of his arms, I would not expect Fred to refuse medical treatment on the basis that his problem isn't as bad as Barney's.
Honestly I don't expect you to read through all that text. It would take ages. I provided the links mainly as sources.
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Good GOD----do you EVER learn (read)! !
First-of-all, RetroGamer87 said right in his title for #1: "The systematic presumption of guilt by the police in rape accusations"----and, he didn't use the word "systemic"----AND, if his title's not enough to convince you, how 'bout THESE statements:
- "You will almost certainly feel that the police believe that you're guilty before trial."
- "I still feel as though I was attacked by some sort of monster - that I was tormented and abused by the system."
- "In the domestic abuse system, the authorities - be this the police, the court or social workers - seem to believe the first person who makes the allegations. ... ...the result is that if you are innocent and falsely accused, the system will, almost 100 per cent of the time, support your accuser's attempts to frame you."
- "They believe they have been treated unfairly by police officers..."
As for "two false accusations": It's awful funny that I read SIX (Jay, James, Chris, David, Ben, and Nigel)----and, statements, like:
- "James and his fellow false allegation victims..."
- "He sympathises with the campaigners' desire for change..."
- "...why not extend it to defendants?"
- "...a growing community of wronged men..."
- "...and many more individuals have fallen victim to malicious allegations of rape and sexual assault."
.....are enough to convince ME, that there are many more, where THEY came-from----see all those esses / plurals, in there!!
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What----you mean when you asked the question about people who did not understand consent?
I didn't see any problem with your asking that, whatsoever----but, who KNOWS how the crybabies'll feel about it; you'll have to wait until one of 'em passes-through, and see if they say something.
Don't worry about how you come-across on here (PPR)----as long as you don't break the rules (main, plus PPR rules)----if somebody doesn't don their big boy / girl pants ("trousers" to you, maybe), and gets "sliced and diced", that's THEIR problem!!
Maybe, my most FAVORITE line in the PPR rules, is: "Provided people don't get too out of hand this forum is given a wide scope for debate; which frankly is what the members themselves want here...".
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I use caps for emphasis----I'm NOT angry or shouting. I use caps like others use italics, underline, or bold.
"What we know is a drop; what we don't know, is an ocean." (Sir Isaac Newton)
What----you mean when you asked the question about people who did not understand consent?
I didn't see any problem with your asking that, whatsoever----but, who KNOWS how the crybabies'll feel about it; you'll have to wait until one of 'em passes-through, and see if they say something.
Don't worry about how you come-across on here (PPR)----as long as you don't break the rules (main, plus PPR rules)----if somebody doesn't don their big boy / girl pants ("trousers" to you, maybe), and gets "sliced and diced", that's THEIR problem!!
Maybe, my most FAVORITE line in the PPR rules, is: "Provided people don't get too out of hand this forum is given a wide scope for debate; which frankly is what the members themselves want here...".
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What----what do you see----what was he saying? Just curious.....
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Are you being sarcastic? Just checkin'.....
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When someone dismisses a whole section of society they are also giving a green light for other people to dismiss other sections of society.
Indeed, Mr. Biscuit.
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