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What's to criticise about being gay? Shall we criticise people for having blue eyes, or black hair, or for being short sighted or left handed? You can criticise having gay sex if you want, but not BEING gay. And if you'd had any decent points in criticising us, fine. But you don't. All you have is "all the bi people will turn gay then there'll be no more babies to pay for my pension! whine, whine, whine..."

The Argument from the Public Safety of Our Children

Practicing homosexuals as a group are more prone to sexual molestation of children than are their heterosexual counterparts. The statistics quoted below bear this fact out:

Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women identified themselves as 'homosexual' or 'bisexual.' A 1995 survey of 18- to 49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior 12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within the past five years. In short, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.

While it is technically correct that heterosexuals account for most molestations (because 98% of the population is heterosexual), homosexuals are much more dangerous to our children on a per capita basis. In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. 32% of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a survey of 153 homosexual molesters, Abel found that they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals 'sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.'

The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)

In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescent sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., 'Adolescent Sex Offenders-Vermont, 1984' Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, 'Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,' Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)

Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. 'Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,' Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200) From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts. While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for upwards of as many as 40% of all sexual molestations of children. (This information has been quoted from http://64.55.184.74/tvc1/pdf_files/Homo ... esters.pdf)

Where did you get that sh** from, Hadron? The American Family Association? Read the first line in it. PRACTICING gays. I said you can criticise gay sex if you want, just not BEING gay. God, you're stupid lol
And don't bother going down the gay paedophilia thing. That's just BS. Gay people aren't more likely to be child molesters.

There is statisical evidence in there. And anyway, you wanted me to stick to practising gays. Actually, if you read the article, you would know the source.

Like I'm going to bother reading all that... lol
You didn't say criticising gay sex in the post though, you said it was an example of criticising people for BEING gay.

Well if you are not going to read my posts, what is the point in you bothering to reply.

What do you make of that, i am curious.

The Statistical Breakdown Breaks Down

With this data in hand, let’s go back to the arguments made by anti-gay activists.

* Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men.

This appears to be true. According to reports to law enforcement, 92% of child sex abusers are men, although reports of women predators has been increasing in the past several years.
* Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys.

This appears to be at the very highest rates of the estimates. A more reasonable range appears to be between one-sixth and one-third. Experts generally agree however that the true scope of the problem is barely understood due to massive under-reporting.
* Gays make up a tiny minority of the population (i.e., somewhere between 1% and 3%).

This is a low-ball figure. The best estimates for out, self-identified gay men begin at about 3% and go up a little from there. But surveys which account for homosexual behavior regardless of identity range anywhere from 7% to 20%.
* Therefore, gay men are committing a disproportionate share of sexual crimes against children.

Due to the flaws in the highly-selected data that anti-gay activists cite, this conclusion simply cannot be supported. What’s more, there may even be a significant overlap between the range of men who behave homosexually and the percentage of men who abuse boys.

Because of the great uncertainty surrounding these statistics – and the logical fallacy surrounding the use of the three percent figure – there is no basis for concluding that gays are responsible for a disproportionate amount of child sexual abuse. But because the data is so unreliable, we also can’t prove that those who behave homosexually are not abusing children disproportionately, regardless of whether they claim to be gay or not. That means that if we really want to understand what’s going on, we have to look much more closely at the predators themselves.

Modern dictionary definitions change the nature of the universe for you, not for me.

A person can shift in and out of homo/bi/straight/asexual, and I've been all four.

It was the world's leading scientists which thought that the Earth was flat. Ya, I guess I should trust them.

this article is a crappy argument for being anti-gay.........

it's the same lame-ass thinking for why ragtime hates catholocism...

homophobes blaming gays for molestation ect

only 63/136 molestors were gay............ so how does this support your point of being terrible to be gay?

yes gay and straight people can be molestors.... but it's pointless to use this as anit-gay propoganda

edit: my numbers come from hardon's original post on the article.... but this subset... with all its admittances of sh***y math.... makes me question hadron's mathmatical standards

I'm not actually. You're the one who's straight yet claims that people choose to be gay. lol How the f**k would you know?

I doubt that the concept of a flat earth was
ever held by anyone who could have EVER
been called a scientist.

Even in prechristian times, 'twas rather
clear that it wasn't.

let him have his small battles

if it weren't for scientists (and some grasp on reality) he would be wavin his bible around and still claiming the world was flat

Predictably, Sopho refused to read it.