Do you Think We Should Start A War with China?

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Should we start a war with China?
Poll ended at 19 Mar 2009, 10:56 pm
Yes 11%  11%  [ 6 ]
No 89%  89%  [ 47 ]
Total votes : 53

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10 Mar 2009, 1:32 pm

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Looks like China wants to start a war with the USA.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/09/us.navy.china/

China is now harassing our ships in International waters.


Those vessels were trawlers and Not chinese naval vessels. Reminds me of the incident 21 years ago when a US destroyer was rammed by a Soviet warship. You ARE aware IdahoAspie of what happened last year when a Russian bomber buzzed a US Aircraft Carrier AND was interecepted flying 50 miles off the west coast aren you....


You are wrong:

"The Chinese ships involved were a Navy intelligence collection ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers, the statement said.

There were flagged trawlers by the Chinese government, as the Chinese government owns everything in China, unlike the US government that doesn't own everything in the USA.



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10 Mar 2009, 1:41 pm

IdahoAspie wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
Looks like China wants to start a war with the USA.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/09/us.navy.china/

China is now harassing our ships in International waters.


Those vessels were trawlers and Not chinese naval vessels. Reminds me of the incident 21 years ago when a US destroyer was rammed by a Soviet warship. You ARE aware IdahoAspie of what happened last year when a Russian bomber buzzed a US Aircraft Carrier AND was interecepted flying 50 miles off the west coast aren you....


You are wrong:

"The Chinese ships involved were a Navy intelligence collection ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers, the statement said.

There were flagged trawlers by the Chinese government, as the Chinese government owns everything in China, unlike the US government that doesn't own everything in the USA.



While this time I stand corrected, I should like to point out that they STILL were NOT Chinese Warships. You also didnt acknowledge the fact that during these past 2 years, Russia has been FAR more confrontational towards the US than China has been!



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10 Mar 2009, 1:43 pm

hey, i take back all my angry arguments in this thread.

the chinese suck! boooo! boooo!

lets go to war with them!! !



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10 Mar 2009, 4:12 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
hey, i take back all my angry arguments in this thread.

the chinese suck! boooo! boooo!

lets go to war with them!! !

Along with the ruskies, the iranians, the french, north koreans, cubans, pakistanis, and the aussies for good measure.

Oh say can you see...


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10 Mar 2009, 5:17 pm

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No one at the Chinese Foreign Ministry in Beijing answered CNN's telephone calls seeking comment, and there were no stories about the incident in Chinese media.


In other words, it was unsanctioned, or the Chinese government would have used it as propaganda. They probably wont, as to not encourage further unsanctioned antagonistic actions.

To put it more bluntly, if they approved, they would brag about it.


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10 Mar 2009, 6:44 pm

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Yes, but Japan could not return the favor, could they.


No, of course not, the second richest country in the world could never build nuclear weapons, could they?

You are just- unbelieveable. You want to stop death in China by starting a war that could well turn nuclear and kill three times as many people. And all because you're too ignorant to know what the rest of the world is really like. Russia is not starving any more- far from it; China is not an impoverished third world state that could do nothing to resist the US; China is a dictatorship still but things are slowly improving and people are gradually becoming more liberated. Many are also happy in their country and do not want a war. And if they did, then the rest of the world (which is 194 countries, NOT just the USA, believe it or not) should wait until they start rebelling before stepping in, rather than just presuming that the Chinese are desperate for help, rushing in, and causing your own little bloodbath.

And Whoever made the Euro-trash comment is out of order. You want a war with China even though you apparently see a whole continent as worthless and mildly annoying? You have to keep the international community in favour to a degree. Don't think the USA is untouchable- it isn't, and even though some Americans think theirs is the only country in the world that really matters, the rest of the world disagrees. To most of us, in those weird little things called 'other countries' (look for 'here be dragons' on the map), you're no more special than anyone else, regardless of how much money you have.
And the person who was going off on the UK is USA's bitch-Europe-we saved you in the war so you owe us rant. 1) Just because the UK prime minister had/has his head up Bush/Obama's jacksy it doesn't mean other Brits do. The 'special relationship' is not rock solid, and a new government in Britain could see the end of it. Also, Gordon Brown (in charge of Britain- just thought I might be needing to point that out) is cosying up to China, so if the USA was to start a war wth China, Britain's support would not be guaranteed. 2) Were your fighting in WW2? No? Well, you didn't save anyone then, and neither did the vast majority of the people in your country. The people in Europe alive today owe modern Americans nothing, because they didn't fight. In fact, we can't prove that America did save Europe. If anyone has a Time Machine kicking around and would like to stop America joining WW2, and in turn, find out, then they're welcome to, but until then, the jury's out.



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10 Mar 2009, 6:58 pm

Please don't assume that Idaho speaks for all Americans, or even a majority.



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10 Mar 2009, 7:16 pm

Honestly, I really didn't know there were any people in Idaho prior to this thread 8P


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10 Mar 2009, 8:57 pm

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Please don't assume that Idaho speaks for all Americans, or even a majority.


Don't assume that everything in this thread is serious :wink:


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10 Mar 2009, 9:36 pm

'serious' is the default for most of the people on this board.



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11 Mar 2009, 3:53 pm

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Please don't assume that Idaho speaks for all Americans, or even a majority.


OH... wow...

i guess i have a few friends to unblock, and some snail-mailed dogturds to apologize for :(

(that woulda been awesome tho!)



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11 Mar 2009, 5:43 pm

Unrealistic dream number 2 : make a time machine and verify everything that has happenned in world's history just for the heck of it. (and although it is releveant, do not mention time traveling theories here, thanks.)



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12 Mar 2009, 3:31 am

ZEGH8578 wrote:
sojournertruth wrote:
Please don't assume that Idaho speaks for all Americans, or even a majority.


OH... wow...

i guess i have a few friends to unblock, and some snail-mailed dogturds to apologize for :(

(that woulda been awesome tho!)


I was mostly responding to the rant by PlanetLouise.



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14 Mar 2009, 6:37 am

PlanetLouise wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
pbcoll wrote:
Yes, but Japan could not return the favor, could they.


No, of course not, the second richest country in the world could never build nuclear weapons, could they?

You are just- unbelieveable. You want to stop death in China by starting a war that could well turn nuclear and kill three times as many people. And all because you're too ignorant to know what the rest of the world is really like. Russia is not starving any more- far from it; China is not an impoverished third world state that could do nothing to resist the US; China is a dictatorship still but things are slowly improving and people are gradually becoming more liberated. Many are also happy in their country and do not want a war. And if they did, then the rest of the world (which is 194 countries, NOT just the USA, believe it or not) should wait until they start rebelling before stepping in, rather than just presuming that the Chinese are desperate for help, rushing in, and causing your own little bloodbath.

And Whoever made the Euro-trash comment is out of order. You want a war with China even though you apparently see a whole continent as worthless and mildly annoying? You have to keep the international community in favour to a degree. Don't think the USA is untouchable- it isn't, and even though some Americans think theirs is the only country in the world that really matters, the rest of the world disagrees. To most of us, in those weird little things called 'other countries' (look for 'here be dragons' on the map), you're no more special than anyone else, regardless of how much money you have.
And the person who was going off on the UK is USA's bitch-Europe-we saved you in the war so you owe us rant. 1) Just because the UK prime minister had/has his head up Bush/Obama's jacksy it doesn't mean other Brits do. The 'special relationship' is not rock solid, and a new government in Britain could see the end of it. Also, Gordon Brown (in charge of Britain- just thought I might be needing to point that out) is cosying up to China, so if the USA was to start a war wth China, Britain's support would not be guaranteed. 2) Were your fighting in WW2? No? Well, you didn't save anyone then, and neither did the vast majority of the people in your country. The people in Europe alive today owe modern Americans nothing, because they didn't fight. In fact, we can't prove that America did save Europe. If anyone has a Time Machine kicking around and would like to stop America joining WW2, and in turn, find out, then they're welcome to, but until then, the jury's out.


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14 Mar 2009, 11:53 am

IdahoAspie wrote:
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You are just- unbelieveable. You want to stop death in China by starting a war that could well turn nuclear and kill three times as many people. And all because you're too ignorant to know what the rest of the world is really like. Russia is not starving any more- far from it; China is not an impoverished third world state that could do nothing to resist the US; China is a dictatorship still but things are slowly improving and people are gradually becoming more liberated. Many are also happy in their country and do not want a war. And if they did, then the rest of the world (which is 194 countries, NOT just the USA, believe it or not) should wait until they start rebelling before stepping in, rather than just presuming that the Chinese are desperate for help, rushing in, and causing your own little bloodbath.

And Whoever made the Euro-trash comment is out of order. You want a war with China even though you apparently see a whole continent as worthless and mildly annoying? You have to keep the international community in favour to a degree. Don't think the USA is untouchable- it isn't, and even though some Americans think theirs is the only country in the world that really matters, the rest of the world disagrees. To most of us, in those weird little things called 'other countries' (look for 'here be dragons' on the map), you're no more special than anyone else, regardless of how much money you have.
And the person who was going off on the UK is USA's bitch-Europe-we saved you in the war so you owe us rant. 1) Just because the UK prime minister had/has his head up Bush/Obama's jacksy it doesn't mean other Brits do. The 'special relationship' is not rock solid, and a new government in Britain could see the end of it. Also, Gordon Brown (in charge of Britain- just thought I might be needing to point that out) is cosying up to China, so if the USA was to start a war wth China, Britain's support would not be guaranteed. 2) Were your fighting in WW2? No? Well, you didn't save anyone then, and neither did the vast majority of the people in your country. The people in Europe alive today owe modern Americans nothing, because they didn't fight. In fact, we can't prove that America did save Europe. If anyone has a Time Machine kicking around and would like to stop America joining WW2, and in turn, find out, then they're welcome to, but until then, the jury's out.


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what are you laughing at? everything in that statement is true.

also, americans didnt save europe during ww2, the russians did.
americans did however prevent europe from becoming commie.

thank you america, for making us "capitalist" instead. political polarism is what everything is all aobut.

idahoaspie has nnnothhhinnng left supporting hiw war-on-china idea, but something tells me he will never stop pushing it. because china has nukes, and is mean to people. wow. bring on the war!! !! !!



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14 Mar 2009, 1:14 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
PlanetLouise wrote:

You are just- unbelieveable. You want to stop death in China by starting a war that could well turn nuclear and kill three times as many people. And all because you're too ignorant to know what the rest of the world is really like. Russia is not starving any more- far from it; China is not an impoverished third world state that could do nothing to resist the US; China is a dictatorship still but things are slowly improving and people are gradually becoming more liberated. Many are also happy in their country and do not want a war. And if they did, then the rest of the world (which is 194 countries, NOT just the USA, believe it or not) should wait until they start rebelling before stepping in, rather than just presuming that the Chinese are desperate for help, rushing in, and causing your own little bloodbath.

And Whoever made the Euro-trash comment is out of order. You want a war with China even though you apparently see a whole continent as worthless and mildly annoying? You have to keep the international community in favour to a degree. Don't think the USA is untouchable- it isn't, and even though some Americans think theirs is the only country in the world that really matters, the rest of the world disagrees. To most of us, in those weird little things called 'other countries' (look for 'here be dragons' on the map), you're no more special than anyone else, regardless of how much money you have.
And the person who was going off on the UK is USA's bitch-Europe-we saved you in the war so you owe us rant. 1) Just because the UK prime minister had/has his head up Bush/Obama's jacksy it doesn't mean other Brits do. The 'special relationship' is not rock solid, and a new government in Britain could see the end of it. Also, Gordon Brown (in charge of Britain- just thought I might be needing to point that out) is cosying up to China, so if the USA was to start a war wth China, Britain's support would not be guaranteed. 2) Were your fighting in WW2? No? Well, you didn't save anyone then, and neither did the vast majority of the people in your country. The people in Europe alive today owe modern Americans nothing, because they didn't fight. In fact, we can't prove that America did save Europe. If anyone has a Time Machine kicking around and would like to stop America joining WW2, and in turn, find out, then they're welcome to, but until then, the jury's out.


:lmao:


what are you laughing at? everything in that statement is true.

also, americans didnt save europe during ww2, the russians did.
americans did however prevent europe from becoming commie.

thank you america, for making us "capitalist" instead. political polarism is what everything is all aobut.

idahoaspie has nnnothhhinnng left supporting hiw war-on-china idea, but something tells me he will never stop pushing it. because china has nukes, and is mean to people. wow. bring on the war!! !! !!


:lmao:

Trying saying it without an American invention. Can't use the internet :lmao:
I guess you could use the phone, oh, wait, that is an American invention too? :lmao:
I guess you could send it by plane. Oh, whoops, that is an American Invention too. :lmao:
I know, why don't you send it then by steam boat? Oh, shoot! That was an American Invention also.
Humm, well, I guess you could use the sail boat. That was invented 1000s years ago.

political polarism is what everything is all aobut. :lmao:
Is "polarism" where we turn everyone into polar bears? :lmao:

americans didnt save europe during ww2, the russians did. :lmao:
And who saved you from the even worse Stalin? :lmao:

"china is mean to people" :lmao:
Yeah, rolling over people in a tank and kicking people out of their country is "mean". :lmao:

How far does an invading army have to actually be in a European country before it decides to defend itself?

When China invents something to eliminate all nuclear threats, it will be able to walk right into Europe and take it over.