How the USA is regarded from the rest of the world

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30 Jun 2012, 7:11 pm

you can buy an old russian attack sub for as low as half a million dollars today, mind you very few of them are ever gonna be sea worthy again so its mainly for scrap metal.

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30 Jun 2012, 7:20 pm

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If that's all your nation is worth, what happens when you can't afford those anymore?

If that meant anything in and of itself, the Soviets would still be around. They had loads of gear. It's all rusting somewhere now. Never helped them.

If we have to, then we will sell Texas to China. Anything to keep those things afloat.

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30 Jun 2012, 7:37 pm

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The US? The world's best hope, gone ill and become everything it was the hope against. The great anti-imperialist power, become an imperialist. The optimistic society become a force for cynicism in the world. An economic powerhouse generating wealth at a global level, become a failing, predatory, vampire economy.

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The optimistic society become a force for cynicism in the world.

Criticise this, world.

Plenty more where that came from, too.........

I would like to see your country pick on someone who can actually fight back. Most of your wars seem to be the equivalent of Georges St. Pierre taking on the puppets from Fraggle Rock. The Spartans would laugh.

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30 Jun 2012, 7:52 pm

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Well, the Vietnamese kicked our butts.

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30 Jun 2012, 8:15 pm

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There is only one country that fits that description --- Mainland China. And we are not going to war with them. They buy U.S. government paper and keep the U.S. afloat. We buy the stuff they make. That is the quid pro quo

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30 Jun 2012, 8:31 pm

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Well, the Vietnamese kicked our butts.

No, public opinion shaped by the liberal media and a wussified Washington is what kicked our butts.
Same problem we still have, unfortunately.....
A FULL commitment of even conventional force back then would have brought as much of Southeast Asia as we wanted under our boot heel before the hippies ever knew what they should be protesting.

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30 Jun 2012, 8:34 pm

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Well, the Vietnamese kicked our butts.

Ah yes, the American Dolchstoßlegende.

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30 Jun 2012, 8:35 pm

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Well, the Vietnamese kicked our butts.

The US forces, especially air forces, performed quite well and with some distinction. It also involved asymmetrical warfare, which seems to be the norm for most US combat for the past half century. The war was a needless endeavor though, and the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) was a highly corrupt state the US should not have been involved with. The Republic of Vietnam definitely did get its butt kicked. The ARVN had very heavy casualties and did not perform that well, eventually being soundly defeated in the field when US assistance was not provided.

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30 Jun 2012, 8:37 pm

BTW: Thank you all who've re-posted that picture of CVN-76 (a.k.a USS Reagan). Really something to admire, especially when our neighbor to the north only has, what, three carriers?
Need I say more?

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30 Jun 2012, 8:41 pm

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BTW: Thank you all who've re-posted that picture of CVN-76 (a.k.a USS Reagan). Really something to envy, especially when our neighbor to the north only has, what, three carriers?
Need I say more?

Three carriers? Is your source for that idea from 1945?

Carriers are neat, but they will prove to be obsolete this century

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30 Jun 2012, 8:49 pm

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BTW: Thank you all who've re-posted that picture of CVN-76 (a.k.a USS Reagan). Really something to admire, especially when our neighbor to the north only has, what, three carriers?
Need I say more?

Meh. Don't need 'em. We'll just dust off the plans for Project Habakkuk if it became an issue. Ride roughshod over those little toy boats you've got.

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30 Jun 2012, 9:11 pm

edgewaters wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Well, the Vietnamese kicked our butts.

Ah yes, the American Dolchstoßlegende.

Exactly! Plenty of parallels with Germany.

The Vietnamese just couldn't be defeated. They beat the French, the Americans, the Chinese, the Cambodians....They're tough. Living in underground tunnels, with napalm raining down upon them. The Americans dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they did during all of WWII, and still couldn't win.

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30 Jun 2012, 10:24 pm

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If we have to, then we will sell Texas to China. Anything to keep those things afloat.

Are you sure we would sell Texas? California seems like a better deal. Eliminate all our debt for that.

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30 Jun 2012, 10:28 pm

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ArrantPariah wrote:

edgewaters wrote:

If we have to, then we will sell Texas to China. Anything to keep those things afloat.

Are you sure we would sell Texas? California seems like a better deal. Eliminate all our debt for that.

Yes, at least Texas is an asset to the country.

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30 Jun 2012, 10:31 pm

edgewaters wrote:

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BTW: Thank you all who've re-posted that picture of CVN-76 (a.k.a USS Reagan). Really something to admire, especially when our neighbor to the north only has, what, three carriers?
Need I say more?

Meh. Don't need 'em. We'll just dust off the plans for Project Habakkuk if it became an issue. Ride roughshod over those little toy boats you've got.

A monstrosity like that makes me think of the Maginot Line; just go around it and be done with it.
Besides, if ya aint even got one it's all a moot point.

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30 Jun 2012, 10:33 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

edgewaters wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Well, the Vietnamese kicked our butts.

Ah yes, the American Dolchstoßlegende.

Try googling "Dolchstoßlegende" first so you know what you're talking about..........

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