09 Apr 2012, 6:53 pm
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09 Apr 2012, 6:54 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Feminism doesn't devide the sexes I am a feminist and I am a man I'm also not the only man who is.
Well, let's see, it alienates me, every guy I know, and 99% of the guys I have heard discuss the subject.
How does women wanting to be treated as a perosn instead of a gender alienate you
And you sound very insecure do strong independent women scare you it sure sounds like it.
09 Apr 2012, 6:56 pm
Joker wrote:
I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi 
Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.
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09 Apr 2012, 7:00 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi
Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.
The Nazis killed a lot of white people just sayin.
09 Apr 2012, 7:03 pm
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Feminism doesn't devide the sexes I am a feminist and I am a man I'm also not the only man who is.
Well, let's see, it alienates me, every guy I know, and 99% of the guys I have heard discuss the subject.
How does women wanting to be treated as a perosn instead of a gender alienate you
The New Testament calls for women to be treated as people, with respect and love "as Christ loved the church", in other words with very much love.
Christ also called for this with the Golden Rule -- which, as a matter of fact, is exactly what I've been trying to illustrate should be utilized regarding the genders and ethnic groups: be kind universally, don't single out one group of people for kindness, and one or more groups for the opposite.
The Golden Rule should replace feminism.
09 Apr 2012, 7:03 pm
09 Apr 2012, 7:05 pm
HerrGrimm wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Okay, I actually don't believe you were unable to decipher my meaning. I really doubt you are being sincere at this point.
See, it's simple: I asked hyper what she thought of the concept of "whites protecting whites because they are white", to which she rightly said it's a bad thing. Yet, women protecting women because they are women is a good thing to her. That is simply inconsistent.
C'mon, how simply put is this? You guys are smart, and I refuse to believe otherwise.
See, it's simple: I asked hyper what she thought of the concept of "whites protecting whites because they are white", to which she rightly said it's a bad thing. Yet, women protecting women because they are women is a good thing to her. That is simply inconsistent.
C'mon, how simply put is this? You guys are smart, and I refuse to believe otherwise.
Except you tried to sensationalize it using an event that never happened...again, show proof that armed Nazis roamed the streets, and it was not just some rhetoric based on the situation. He just said it because he could make a talking point at the time, it is not really happening at all.
Can Jews protect Jews because they are Jewish? Like, oh, I don't know, from anti-Semitic attacks?
Can Christians protect Christians because they are Christian? I think you see it on PPR yourself.
Your argument is based on the fact that the protection methods are the same or of similar levels. They are not. Not at all.
09 Apr 2012, 7:06 pm
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi
Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.
The Nazis killed a lot of white people just sayin.
I know. But we're not talking about Nazis or Neo-Nazis -- what I'm talking about is group supremacy: setting up any one group for special status above the others. It's a little thing called "being unfair".
In biblical Christianity, that's wrong.
09 Apr 2012, 7:11 pm
HerrGrimm wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Okay, I actually don't believe you were unable to decipher my meaning. I really doubt you are being sincere at this point.
See, it's simple: I asked hyper what she thought of the concept of "whites protecting whites because they are white", to which she rightly said it's a bad thing. Yet, women protecting women because they are women is a good thing to her. That is simply inconsistent.
C'mon, how simply put is this? You guys are smart, and I refuse to believe otherwise.
See, it's simple: I asked hyper what she thought of the concept of "whites protecting whites because they are white", to which she rightly said it's a bad thing. Yet, women protecting women because they are women is a good thing to her. That is simply inconsistent.
C'mon, how simply put is this? You guys are smart, and I refuse to believe otherwise.
Except you tried to sensationalize it using an event that never happened...again, show proof that armed Nazis roamed the streets, and it was not just some rhetoric based on the situation. He just said it because he could make a talking point at the time, it is not really happening at all.
And now, you're misreading my posts too.
I was speaking of the rhetoric; their actions, or inactivity, are and were completely beside the point I was making.
HerrGrimm wrote:
Can Jews protect Jews because they are Jewish? Like, oh, I don't know, from anti-Semitic attacks?
That's a good thing, but it's of tainted motivation if they don't value other people's protection at all. I'm making a point about morality of intent.
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09 Apr 2012, 7:12 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi
Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.
The Nazis killed a lot of white people just sayin.
I know. But we're not talking about Nazis or Neo-Nazis -- what I'm talking about is group supremacy: setting up any one group for special status above the others. It's a little thing called "being unfair".
In biblical Christianity, that's wrong.
Then bibical Christianity would not be for Democracy or Capitalism that would be seen as wrong. I support seperation from church and state that away the government can't keep me from practicing being a methodist.
09 Apr 2012, 7:19 pm
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi
Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.
The Nazis killed a lot of white people just sayin.
I know. But we're not talking about Nazis or Neo-Nazis -- what I'm talking about is group supremacy: setting up any one group for special status above the others. It's a little thing called "being unfair".
In biblical Christianity, that's wrong.
Then bibical Christianity would not be for Democracy or Capitalism that would be seen as wrong.
Democracy is a very Christian system, in that everyone is treated as equal in value, and their opinions are not considered less if they're poor or lack influence. That's the intent and the theory, anyway. YMMV
As for Capitalism, it's true that Jesus clearly wasn't for people seeking after riches, but capitalism just means freedom to engage in trade, with as little meddling from third parties as possible, unless a particular act of trade hurts someone. Capitalism is trade. Trade isn't wrong -- if it were, everyone would be dead because they couldn't buy or barter for food, nor could those who grew food receive funding through purchase to cover their food growing costs.
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09 Apr 2012, 7:22 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi
Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.
The Nazis killed a lot of white people just sayin.
I know. But we're not talking about Nazis or Neo-Nazis -- what I'm talking about is group supremacy: setting up any one group for special status above the others. It's a little thing called "being unfair".
In biblical Christianity, that's wrong.
Then bibical Christianity would not be for Democracy or Capitalism that would be seen as wrong.
Democracy is a very Christian system, in that everyone is treated as equal in value, and their opinions are not considered less if they're poor or lack influence. That's the intent and the theory, anyway. YMMV
As for Capitalism, it's true that Jesus clearly wasn't for people seeking after riches, but capitalism just means freedom to engage in trade, with as little meddling from third parties as possible, unless a particular act of trade hurts someone. Capitalism is trade. Trade isn't wrong -- if it were, everyone would be dead because they couldn't buy or barter for food, nor could those who grew food receive funding through purchase to cover their food growing costs.
While all of that is true Democracy never works that way in America nor does Capitalism. If you come from a lower middle class family like I do you are the victim of classism.
09 Apr 2012, 7:24 pm
Ragtime wrote:
And now, you're misreading my posts too.
I was speaking of the rhetoric; their actions, or inactivity, are and were completely beside the point I was making.
I was speaking of the rhetoric; their actions, or inactivity, are and were completely beside the point I was making.
I am not the one trying to make a cheap point. Then why did you even bring up the article? It looks even worse for you since the guy who said it had black relatives.
So when Christians on PPR denounce homosexuality, is that the same level/kind of rhetoric as NS/WN people denouncing Jews/etc. on Stormfront? You just said it was rhetoric, so that is the same, right? I wouldn't say, SINCE IT IS NOT SIMILAR IN HOW IT IS DONE. That should be comforting to you.
2 EDITs in last paragraph.
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09 Apr 2012, 7:36 pm
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi
Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.
The Nazis killed a lot of white people just sayin.
I know. But we're not talking about Nazis or Neo-Nazis -- what I'm talking about is group supremacy: setting up any one group for special status above the others. It's a little thing called "being unfair".
In biblical Christianity, that's wrong.
Then bibical Christianity would not be for Democracy or Capitalism that would be seen as wrong.
Democracy is a very Christian system, in that everyone is treated as equal in value, and their opinions are not considered less if they're poor or lack influence. That's the intent and the theory, anyway. YMMV
As for Capitalism, it's true that Jesus clearly wasn't for people seeking after riches, but capitalism just means freedom to engage in trade, with as little meddling from third parties as possible, unless a particular act of trade hurts someone. Capitalism is trade. Trade isn't wrong -- if it were, everyone would be dead because they couldn't buy or barter for food, nor could those who grew food receive funding through purchase to cover their food growing costs.
While all of that is true Democracy never works that way in America nor does Capitalism. If you come from a lower middle class family like I do you are the victim of classism.
Then how have countless Americans come from abject poverty and risen upward to becoming powerful multi-millionaires? Because we don't live in a caste system, like India has, or a class system, like the U.K. has had. In those systems your economic destiny is the same as your origin, because of the systems and traditions in place. America is not a caste or class system, and so people can rise or fall through personal economic levels by their own merits, luck, or misfortune. Their status isn't a frozen one, like it is in most of the world.
09 Apr 2012, 7:38 pm
HerrGrimm wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
And now, you're misreading my posts too.
I was speaking of the rhetoric; their actions, or inactivity, are and were completely beside the point I was making.
I was speaking of the rhetoric; their actions, or inactivity, are and were completely beside the point I was making.
I am not the one trying to make a cheap point. Then why did you even bring up the article? It looks even worse for you since the guy who said it had black relatives.
So when Christians on PPR denounce homosexuality, is that the same level/kind of rhetoric as NS/WN people denouncing Jews/etc. on Stormfront? You just said it was rhetoric, so that is the same, right? I wouldn't say, SINCE IT IS NOT SIMILAR IN HOW IT IS DONE. That should be comforting to you.
2 EDITs in last paragraph.
Meh, there's no point in trying to set you straight about what I believe. You just like to go around rebuking people with your ravenous wolf face and snarling commentary.
09 Apr 2012, 7:43 pm
