Kraichgauer
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22 May 2012, 6:12 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Raptor wrote:
BTW, you seem to put a disproportionate amount of stock in gay rights..............
Probably because gay folks are the most picked on group in the country.
It is considered no great wrong to mock, revile, insult and even physically abuse gay folks.
In the old days they used to abuse Jews and Negroes. Not it is gays.
ruveyn
And my ancestry, mostly German and Irish, received their fair share of being picked on as immigrants in this country back in the day as well.
They somehow got through it without the help of big government.
Imagine that......
Society is more willing to assimilate certain groups than others. German and Irish Americans (and my family is mostly German) over time became less exotic in the eyes of Americans, and were deemed fellow legitimate citizens. Other groups, such as gays and blacks, on the other hand have been excluded by a great many of their fellow Americans, regardless of their contributions. In such cases, the wait for civil rights has become too long, and government intervention is required to bring them into mainstream American society. Though I will be the first to concede, plenty of Americans believe strongly enough in equal rights that they had always accepted blacks and gays.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I don't know about your neck of the woods but where I live I'm not seeing any discernible persecution or exclusion of anyone, black and even gays included.
Maybe you need to move somewhere where there's more diversity and not so much hate and intolerance.
But then again without hate and intolerance liberals wouldn't have a purpose to rally around.......
Thanks to civil rights legislation, the treatment of black people has increased dramatically. And I dare say, it's rubbed off on the treatment of gay people. The undeniable fact is, though, gays and blacks are still targets of hateful bigots in the more culturally backward parts of this country, where the confederate flag is still flown with pride, and people demand that the government get out of their medicare.
And I think I've mentioned more than once that I reside in the Pacific Northwest, which by comparison, is pretty enlightened compared to other parts of the country.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Civil rights would have come about in time. After all, we do advance socially with time even here on tobacco road.
I've seen confedarate flags displayed in various forms in all parts of the US including the "pretty enlightened" pacific northwest. You just happen to live in an enlightened city and so do I.
Why should any Americans have to wait for civil rights?
And yes, I've seen Confederate flags flying in my part of the country, and the people displaying them are generally regarded as crackpots.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
22 May 2012, 6:14 pm
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
Kraichgauer
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22 May 2012, 6:32 pm
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
No, I want people who are controlled by their better angels to control the government, and set things right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
22 May 2012, 6:43 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
No, I want people who are controlled by their better angels to control the government, and set things right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
My angel has a different definition of good than yours......
And wanting and getting are two different things.
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22 May 2012, 6:46 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
No, I want people who are controlled by their better angels to control the government, and set things right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
My angel has a different definition of good than yours......
Hm, my angel is interested in seeing people kept from starving or going without shelter, and with granting all Americans civil rights.
What's your angel say?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
22 May 2012, 8:50 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
No, I want people who are controlled by their better angels to control the government, and set things right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
My angel has a different definition of good than yours......
Hm, my angel is interested in seeing people kept from starving or going without shelter, and with granting all Americans civil rights.
What's your angel say?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
On the issues of starving and shelter my angel would like to know who's going to pay for it.
On the civil rights issue my angel says to "man up and stop whining".
But then again my angel looks at things pragmatically.........
Kraichgauer
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22 May 2012, 11:02 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
No, I want people who are controlled by their better angels to control the government, and set things right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
My angel has a different definition of good than yours......
Hm, my angel is interested in seeing people kept from starving or going without shelter, and with granting all Americans civil rights.
What's your angel say?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
On the issues of starving and shelter my angel would like to know who's going to pay for it.
On the civil rights issue my angel says to "man up and stop whining".
But then again my angel looks at things pragmatically.........
So we're supposed to consider the price tag when people's lives could be at stake?
And tell black people at the back of the bus, or who have been denied the right to vote to man up.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
22 May 2012, 11:21 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
No, I want people who are controlled by their better angels to control the government, and set things right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
My angel has a different definition of good than yours......
Hm, my angel is interested in seeing people kept from starving or going without shelter, and with granting all Americans civil rights.
What's your angel say?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
On the issues of starving and shelter my angel would like to know who's going to pay for it.
On the civil rights issue my angel says to "man up and stop whining".
But then again my angel looks at things pragmatically.........
So we're supposed to consider the price tag when people's lives could be at stake?
And tell black people at the back of the bus, or who have been denied the right to vote to man up.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Umm, if shelter and food were free then there wouldn't be much of a food and shelter issue but it's NOT free so the cost and where it's coming from have to be considered.
I've been on a few buses but I've never seen a black person at the back unless they wanted to be. I doubt any of them have experienced this persecution you're consumed with unless they are old and most all of them are OVER it already since it is OVER and has been OVER since for ages.
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22 May 2012, 11:29 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'd say in most cases government is only as cruel, abusive, and oppressive as the society that creates it.
Good point.
However, there are people on this forum (and this thread) that are convinced that American society is made predominantly up of cruel, abusive, and oppressive people.
Ironically, these same people want this cruel government made up of cruel people to expand further and take care of their every need.
Why would anyone want a cruel governing entity to run their lives?
No, I want people who are controlled by their better angels to control the government, and set things right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
My angel has a different definition of good than yours......
Hm, my angel is interested in seeing people kept from starving or going without shelter, and with granting all Americans civil rights.
What's your angel say?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
On the issues of starving and shelter my angel would like to know who's going to pay for it.
On the civil rights issue my angel says to "man up and stop whining".
But then again my angel looks at things pragmatically.........
So we're supposed to consider the price tag when people's lives could be at stake?
And tell black people at the back of the bus, or who have been denied the right to vote to man up.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Umm, if shelter and food were free then there wouldn't be much of a food and shelter issue but it's NOT free so the cost and where it's coming from have to be considered.
I've been on a few buses but I've never seen a black person at the back unless they wanted to be. I doubt any of them have experienced this persecution you're consumed with unless they are old and most all of them are OVER it already since it is OVER and has been OVER since for ages.
I'm sorry, I should have clarified that I was talking about blacks sent to the back of the bus decades ago, prior to civil rights legislation. In such a case, the government doing something about it certainly corrected the problem much more than telling blacks to "man up."
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
23 May 2012, 10:33 am
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Kraichgauer
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24 May 2012, 10:06 pm
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm sorry, I should have clarified that I was talking about blacks sent to the back of the bus decades ago, prior to civil rights legislation. In such a case, the government doing something about it certainly corrected the problem much more than telling blacks to "man up."
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Rosa Parks (brave woman!) settled the back of the bus hash 50 years ago. The Civil Rights act has been in force for nearly 50 years. There is still racism, unfortunately, but it is no longer supported by Law.
ruveyn
Absolutely. But things are considerably better since the civil rights act. And racism among whites is not nearly as common as it had been back then, due to education, and (God forbid) political correctness.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Um, not to be rude but, are you a person of color, especially a black person?
If not, I don't think it's right to go claiming that racism isn't really that much of a problem anymore.
Because there is still a lot of racism, is it less obvious than it used to be? kinda, is there still an incredible amount of work to be done, hell yes.
White people are still pretty darn racist, just because they drop the n-word ironically now doesn't mean they're enlightened or some nonsense.
Being "PC" is so often about using the right words to cover up the nasty things you really think.
No, I am not a person of color. But neither did I ever say racism isn't a problem anymore. Rather, I had said it simply wasn't as pronounced among whites as it had once been. In fact, plenty of white people would be appalled at using the N word. But I am well aware that there is way too much racism in our country, still. Now, it's thinly disguised behind "immigration control," or "birtherism."
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Ok cool. I'm just sensitive to "racism is over" type things and was looking for a clarification. thanks.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
