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The people rioting/looting/preaching hate are not victims.

Incidents like this can be used a an excuse, not a reason, to "riot".....

I still think its inconclusive. I can rewrite your narrative this way:
- Mr Brown assaults police officer. Breaks his eye socket and almost knocks him out.
- Mr Brown stops assaulting police officer and walks away
- Police officer says "freeze police". (which is his civic duty to do.)
- Mr Brown rushes towards police officer.
- Police officer shoots Mr. Brown in self defense. (if one was just beaten to the point of having their eye socket broken and just about being knocked out, and their attacker turns on them again, they would have every right to shoot in self defense. Never mind a police officer, you would have the right to fire in that scenario.)

I'm not saying I believe this account. Just that it's plausible given the information we have been provided.

Better copy of the body diagram:



The one that I posted earlier was cropped to hide the (entrance?) wound on Brown's hand.

Just FYI and all, you're allowed to "kill" someone that's a threat to your life (all common law countries). The police have a second bit, which is threat to the public.

So, if a 6 foot+ 250 pound+ man is running at you, after assaulting you (and you can't flee -- the police don't have to), you can shoot him until he stops charging. Within fisticuffs range, said man is a threat to your life -- it only takes one good punch to kill you after all.

Black, white, pink, blue, it doesn't matter the color. The law will treat you the same.

I simply do not believe that Brown "charged" the cop that has already fired a round and maybe even been shot like some rhinoceros. It defies all logic and explanation, I will not believe that until I see concrete evidence proving it because it doesn't seem like a realistic response.

Why wouldn't Brown charge if he thought he could take the officer? He just seriously assaulted him and tried to take his weapon (if that account is to be believed), and was spooked by a gunshot. I can see someone regaining courage here. Him charging is just as likely as not based on his obviously violent history.

If he died close enough to the officer from the one fatal shot (the only one that would stop him), then he almost made it.

On the other side, why wouldn't he run after getting shot at/hit outside? The fatal shot was probably the last one, which was taken from the front with his head leaning down. If he ran as soon as he heard the officer shooting, he could have made it far enough away to most likely avoid a fatal shot.

Brown's buddy seemed to have ran, and he lived to tell about it.

I'm still waiting on the shooting itself, no one seems to be able to get their story straight, but I'll come right out and say that the police response has been atrocious.

You don't charge at someone with a gun especially one that has already put a round off and might of already shot you, I don't care how tough you think you are nobody would do that unless they were suicidal or on like PCP or something.

Well, I'm in firm disagreement with Dill's analysis of this thing so far, especially his apparent enthusiasm for storm trooper cops, but tactically speaking, the thinking goes that you run to a gun and run from a knife, so as to get into a space where the weapon is less effective. Not that I'm suggesting that a teenager involved in some sort of altercation with the cops is thinking tactically or anything, I'm just pointing out that charging a gun is actually what you're supposed to do (assuming you're too far from cover and not armed yourself).

If you're around 20 feet or so, you have a good chance of getting to fisticuffs range without an instantly lethal shot fired your way.

Suicidal? Perhaps. But, so was the assault near the car.

Brown didn't exactly have the best track record as far doing things that weren't suicidal up to the final encounter.

Given that it's thug or metro cop, I'll have to look more favorably on the metro cop. I guess I have bias there.

The SWAT team itself hasn't been misbehaving from all I've seen. One officer at the protest should be taken off the street and disciplined (dude muzzling the crowd then threatening the "journalist").

I don't think that would be the natural reaction, your reaction would be to get away. I'm not sure I agree with that "tactically" either really, I mean in this scenario it was a cop and they're not suppose to fire on you fleeing with your back turned and everyone knows you don't advance on a cop with his gun drawn. When your presumably 35 feet away, there is pretty much zero chance that you'd be able to get to your attacker. Cops have 21 foot rule when it comes to knives as far as how close it too close.

I really don't want to fired upon in the open, no sure way out there.

You are blaming black people for racism. It is the racism that is the "crime" (not to downplay the rioting and looting).

"Oo, blacky made me hate him!" Horse manure.

I don't think it's a reasonable reaction to attempt to kill yourself after an arrest but people do it. Unusual things happen when people are under psychological stress and feel they've failed. Brown may have quickly realized that he was no longer going to a technical college in a few days. He was going to prison. He could have had an emotional reaction to that and acted out. Beats me. We'll see.

Nice in theory, in practice it protects white people and screws black people. I mean, take this very example - the white man was armed and pointing a gun, the black man wasn't; sure, the white man's life is in danger, but clearly so was the black man's, more so even. Why isn't he allowed to defend himself?

Marissa Alexander got 20 years for firing a warning shot when he abusive ex-husband confronted her. The New Jersey Four got up to 11 years (and as "low" as three). CeCe McDonald served 19 months (in a man's prison, nonetheless) for second degree manslaughter.

73% of people who kill a black person in Florida get no sentence, compared to 59% who kill a white person.

Across all "stand your ground" states, 66% of fatal wob shootings are deemed justified on stand your ground grounds... versus 3% of fatal bow shootings.