Atheist kills muslims and Gun Control a bad thing?
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-
To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).
To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).
Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.
A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
I think I demonstrated in my previous posts that I don't demonize all, or even most, gun owners. Rather, I'm talking about the gun fetishists who have been nutso on the subject.
You've consistently demonstrated youself to be an anti in several threads over the years. Want me to go dig up some samples and post them here?
No, I shall reiterate: I am anti-nut with a gun, not anti-gun.
And what exactly does that mean and how can that be codified as law?
Do you have a clue about current laws pertaining to the mentally Ill acquiring/possessing firearms?
What is a "nut" by definition? Were you ever able to define "gun fetishist"?
I think what you want here is only the "politically reliable" to have the right to own guns, same as in communist countries.
We have other things to hash out but this is all I have time for now.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Aghogday-
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
There is absolutely nothing for Dox to apologise for. Every thing he said was honest observation and you know it.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Aghogday-
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
Thanks Bill, and you are very welcome, again.
IN the 'OLD DAYS', people who do NOT express pro-social emotions are often 'pushed off cliffs' to make more comfortable room for the more socially cooperative people to exist, IN balance.
IN the NEW DAYS, we have a kindler gentler way of changing that behavior THANK GOD, PARTICULARLY for folks who have great difficulty saying thanks, expressing an apology, or admitting mistakes, and taking the time to respond in KIND.
I HAVE hope for DOX. The only time I lost my faith in humanity was when I lost my faith in me.
And now it is 100 percent for both me and humanity AND TRUST IN THE REST OF NATURE True aka GOD2, in all the dark and light flavors that comes in, everynow of everynow.
There is a time when I am so weak and cowardly that I wished the world away, as I did not have the courage to overcome my natural instinct NOT to kill myself to avoid the worst documented pain known to mankind, per the chronic type two Trigeminal Neuralgia that ruled my life for five years during all waking hours.
The pain took everything away, including my heart, soul, and spirit; all synonyms for the type of social cognition that allows pro-social emotions to be expressed in verbal and non-verbal ways for humans and the rest of nature IN empathic and sensory connection to feel and sense wholeness AND UNITY NEVER SEPARATED OR ALONE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN LIFE.
TO ESCAPE THE world of cultural by-products aka Human Tools for comfort, including abstract written language, collective intelligence, and complex culture in general that is now powered by many sources of substance or behavioral instant gratification, CAN BE to understand human nature MUCH BETTER innately, instinctually, and intuitively.
Give me some kind of shelter, the rest of nature, a song and a dance with others in empathic and sensory connection, and that IS ALL I NEED, AND THAT IS God to ME.
A TRUE Priest is one who lives in balance with Nature.
Anything else is counter-productive to me.
To Apologize, to admit Mistakes, to say Thank You and You Are welcome, is simply human reciprocal social cooperative balance REAL LIFE TOOLS and that is THE MOST IMPORTANT KIND OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE OF ALL, with or without the 'CLIFFS OF LIFE'.. TO remove undesired components of that.
Have a nice day and now, friend.
I'm glad I live in a time and place where folks like me HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO no longer BE the 'cliff' operators of life AKA 'CLIFF POLICEMEN'...
Words can be much kinder...AND GENTLER.. TO USE for effective and AFFECTIVE CHANGE.
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Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-
To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).
To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).
Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.
A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
I think I demonstrated in my previous posts that I don't demonize all, or even most, gun owners. Rather, I'm talking about the gun fetishists who have been nutso on the subject.
You've consistently demonstrated youself to be an anti in several threads over the years. Want me to go dig up some samples and post them here?
No, I shall reiterate: I am anti-nut with a gun, not anti-gun.
And what exactly does that mean and how can that be codified as law?
Do you have a clue about current laws pertaining to the mentally Ill acquiring/possessing firearms?
What is a "nut" by definition? Were you ever able to define "gun fetishist"?
I think what you want here is only the "politically reliable" to have the right to own guns, same as in communist countries.
We have other things to hash out but this is all I have time for now.
For one thing, I am stating my personal opinion about nutbars who believe that gun rights supersede the rights of all others. Another, I think I've already provided examples of gun fetishists when I had mentioned the assh*les who demeaned the grieving parents at Sandy hook, while trying to explain the situation away with the most inane conspiracy theories. Those are gun fetishists. I happened to have brought up the topic of gun fetishists in order to demonstrate that you get all butthurt for gun rights whenever anyone makes mention of lunatics who have no business with guns, whether it actually applies to you or not.
And as far as your other post is concerned - No, I do not know it.
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aghogday wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Aghogday-
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
Thanks Bill, and you are very welcome, again.
IN the 'OLD DAYS', people who do NOT express pro-social emotions are often 'pushed off cliffs' to make more comfortable room for the more socially cooperative people to exist, IN balance.
IN the NEW DAYS, we have a kindler gentler way of changing that behavior THANK GOD, PARTICULARLY for folks who have great difficulty saying thanks, expressing an apology, or admitting mistakes, and taking the time to respond in KIND.
I HAVE hope for DOX. The only time I lost my faith in humanity was when I lost my faith in me.
And now it is 100 percent for both me and humanity AND TRUST IN THE REST OF NATURE True aka GOD2, in all the dark and light flavors that comes in, everynow of everynow.
There is a time when I am so weak and cowardly that I wished the world away, as I did not have the courage to overcome my natural instinct NOT to kill myself to avoid the worst documented pain known to mankind, per the chronic type two Trigeminal Neuralgia that ruled my life for five years during all waking hours.
The pain took everything away, including my heart, soul, and spirit; all synonyms for the type of social cognition that allows pro-social emotions to be expressed in verbal and non-verbal ways for humans and the rest of nature IN empathic and sensory connection to feel and sense wholeness AND UNITY NEVER SEPARATED OR ALONE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN LIFE.
TO ESCAPE THE world of cultural by-products aka Human Tools for comfort, including abstract written language, collective intelligence, and complex culture in general that is now powered by many sources of substance or behavioral instant gratification, CAN BE to understand human nature MUCH BETTER innately, instinctually, and intuitively.
Give me some kind of shelter, the rest of nature, a song and a dance with others in empathic and sensory connection, and that IS ALL I NEED, AND THAT IS God to ME.
A TRUE Priest is one who lives in balance with Nature.
Anything else is counter-productive to me.
To Apologize, to admit Mistakes, to say Thank You and You Are welcome, is simply human reciprocal social cooperative balance REAL LIFE TOOLS and that is THE MOST IMPORTANT KIND OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE OF ALL, with or without the 'CLIFFS OF LIFE'.. TO remove undesired components of that.
Have a nice day and now, friend.
I'm glad I live in a time and place where folks like me HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO no longer BE the 'cliff' operators of life AKA 'CLIFF POLICEMEN'...
Words can be much kinder...AND GENTLER.. TO USE for effective and AFFECTIVE CHANGE.
Forgive me, but can you explain what Trigeminal Neuralgia is?
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Bundled to save space.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nothing wrong with being a free spirit.
Those who use the term "slacker" in such a negative connotation (a certain someone with a Dirty Harry avatar) has an over puckered anu - - -I better stop here, or else the moderators will lock this discussion. 
Those who aren’t slackers aren’t bothered by the word. The fact that you are says a lot that’s not flattering.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And as for "house rules," believe what you want, but it hardly makes it right, particularly since that very practice was used against black Americans during segregation, and is now being used against the LGBT community. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong, and denying service to anyone in order to dehumanize them is clearly wrong.
It’s not about what’s right and what’s wrong it’s about property rights. Period. I’ve been to some pretty backward places in this country and I honestly don’t think any business there would put up a “whites only” sign, with or without a law. It doesn’t matter if they want to or not it’s whether or not they actually do it. The very few that would are too small of a number to be significant.
We’ve been over this before.
Kraichgauer wrote:
For one thing, I am stating my personal opinion about nutbars who believe that gun rights supersede the rights of all others. Another, I think I've already provided examples of gun fetishists when I had mentioned the assh*les who demeaned the grieving parents at Sandy hook, while trying to explain the situation away with the most inane conspiracy theories. Those are gun fetishists
.This one incident seems to be your only example. It’s hardly indicative of a “nutbar” epidemic or worthy of getting your panties in a wad over.
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I happened to have brought up the topic of gun fetishists in order to demonstrate that you get all butthurt for gun rights whenever anyone makes mention of lunatics who have no business with guns, whether it actually applies to you or not. .
Butthurt? Is that what you call it when I drill down through the canned hyperbole and regurgitated rhetoric to find the root cause of someone’s anti-gun emotions only to find………nothing of substance?
Those Sandy Hook “gun fetishists” while goofy and just plain distasteful (of course, I’m only conceding this for the sake of argument since I’ve never actually seen any video of them doing what you claim) they still have rights, even to own guns, unless it can be proved otherwise in a legal-like kinda way to include actual rationale that their rights should be suspended.
Also, keep in mind that it’s anti-gun activist, their pet politicians, and the laws that they have been successful at passing, that have created the climate for your “gun fetishists” to come out of the woodwork.
Moreover, there was and never is any hesitation from the anti-gun activist and lawmakers to instantly seize the opportunity to use tragedies like Sandy Hook to push through their agendas. In this case, it was used to f**k Connecticut gun owners over. Is there anything in your Golden Book of Supreme Liberal Morality about opportunists using the deaths of children to further their immoral cause? No, I don’t suppose so…………as long as they’re liberals.
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And as far as your other post is concerned - No, I do not know it.
You know but won’t admit it.
Want me to go back and find the times that Dox has grabbed you by the tail and dragged you into the light and meticulously dissected you point by point?
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Raptor wrote:
Bundled to save space.
Those who aren’t slackers aren’t bothered by the word. The fact that you are says a lot that’s not flattering.
It’s not about what’s right and what’s wrong it’s about property rights. Period. I’ve been to some pretty backward places in this country and I honestly don’t think any business there would put up a “whites only” sign, with or without a law. It doesn’t matter if they want to or not it’s whether or not they actually do it. The very few that would are too small of a number to be significant.
We’ve been over this before.
This one incident seems to be your only example. It’s hardly indicative of a “nutbar” epidemic or worthy of getting your panties in a wad over.
Butthurt? Is that what you call it when I drill down through the canned hyperbole and regurgitated rhetoric to find the root cause of someone’s anti-gun emotions only to find………nothing of substance?
Those Sandy Hook “gun fetishists” while goofy and just plain distasteful (of course, I’m only conceding this for the sake of argument since I’ve never actually seen any video of them doing what you claim) they still have rights, even to own guns, unless it can be proved otherwise in a legal-like kinda way to include actual rationale that their rights should be suspended.
Also, keep in mind that it’s anti-gun activist, their pet politicians, and the laws that they have been successful at passing, that have created the climate for your “gun fetishists” to come out of the woodwork.
Moreover, there was and never is any hesitation from the anti-gun activist and lawmakers to instantly seize the opportunity to use tragedies like Sandy Hook to push through their agendas. In this case, it was used to f**k Connecticut gun owners over. Is there anything in your Golden Book of Supreme Liberal Morality about opportunists using the deaths of children to further their immoral cause? No, I don’t suppose so…………as long as they’re liberals.
You know but won’t admit it.
Want me to go back and find the times that Dox has grabbed you by the tail and dragged you into the light and meticulously dissected you point by point?
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nothing wrong with being a free spirit.
Those who use the term "slacker" in such a negative connotation (a certain someone with a Dirty Harry avatar) has an over puckered anu - - -I better stop here, or else the moderators will lock this discussion. 
Those who aren’t slackers aren’t bothered by the word. The fact that you are says a lot that’s not flattering.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And as for "house rules," believe what you want, but it hardly makes it right, particularly since that very practice was used against black Americans during segregation, and is now being used against the LGBT community. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong, and denying service to anyone in order to dehumanize them is clearly wrong.
It’s not about what’s right and what’s wrong it’s about property rights. Period. I’ve been to some pretty backward places in this country and I honestly don’t think any business there would put up a “whites only” sign, with or without a law. It doesn’t matter if they want to or not it’s whether or not they actually do it. The very few that would are too small of a number to be significant.
We’ve been over this before.
Kraichgauer wrote:
For one thing, I am stating my personal opinion about nutbars who believe that gun rights supersede the rights of all others. Another, I think I've already provided examples of gun fetishists when I had mentioned the assh*les who demeaned the grieving parents at Sandy hook, while trying to explain the situation away with the most inane conspiracy theories. Those are gun fetishists
.This one incident seems to be your only example. It’s hardly indicative of a “nutbar” epidemic or worthy of getting your panties in a wad over.
Quote:
I happened to have brought up the topic of gun fetishists in order to demonstrate that you get all butthurt for gun rights whenever anyone makes mention of lunatics who have no business with guns, whether it actually applies to you or not. .
Butthurt? Is that what you call it when I drill down through the canned hyperbole and regurgitated rhetoric to find the root cause of someone’s anti-gun emotions only to find………nothing of substance?
Those Sandy Hook “gun fetishists” while goofy and just plain distasteful (of course, I’m only conceding this for the sake of argument since I’ve never actually seen any video of them doing what you claim) they still have rights, even to own guns, unless it can be proved otherwise in a legal-like kinda way to include actual rationale that their rights should be suspended.
Also, keep in mind that it’s anti-gun activist, their pet politicians, and the laws that they have been successful at passing, that have created the climate for your “gun fetishists” to come out of the woodwork.
Moreover, there was and never is any hesitation from the anti-gun activist and lawmakers to instantly seize the opportunity to use tragedies like Sandy Hook to push through their agendas. In this case, it was used to f**k Connecticut gun owners over. Is there anything in your Golden Book of Supreme Liberal Morality about opportunists using the deaths of children to further their immoral cause? No, I don’t suppose so…………as long as they’re liberals.
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And as far as your other post is concerned - No, I do not know it.
You know but won’t admit it.
Want me to go back and find the times that Dox has grabbed you by the tail and dragged you into the light and meticulously dissected you point by point?
Who said I was bothered by the term "slacker?" I'm annoyed that the right demeans poor people with that word, in order to claim they are misusing public assistance.
And yes, as a matter of fact, those assh*les had said those cruel things about the lost children and their parents at Sandy Hook - it was in fact all over the news (again, cultural isolation on your part, Raptor; if in fact you had never actually heard of it). But never, ever have I said they didn't have rights to guns or anything else, just that they were bad people, and should be regarded as such by decent people everywhere.
And as for "whites only" - sure, in this day and age, there won't be such signs, even in the most backward places in the country, as civil rights laws have been enacted for over sixty years, and have gradually changed the hearts and minds of people. But whether they will or won't isn't the point - the point is, for a business to do such a thing is clearly wrong, house rules be damned. It's wrong for businesses to have denied service to Black Americans years ago, and it's equally wrong for businesses to do the same to LGBT Americans today.
And just because I try to be conciliatory - which is apparently seen seen as a sign of weakness by you conservative and libertarian Ubermensch - hardly means anyone drags me into anything by my proverbial tail.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Aghogday-
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
I appreciate the gesture, but I doubt I'll get an apology from Dox, anymore than we could get the earth to reverse rotation.
By the way, that leg press was pretty damn impressive!
Thanks Bill, and you are very welcome, again.
IN the 'OLD DAYS', people who do NOT express pro-social emotions are often 'pushed off cliffs' to make more comfortable room for the more socially cooperative people to exist, IN balance.
IN the NEW DAYS, we have a kindler gentler way of changing that behavior THANK GOD, PARTICULARLY for folks who have great difficulty saying thanks, expressing an apology, or admitting mistakes, and taking the time to respond in KIND.
I HAVE hope for DOX. The only time I lost my faith in humanity was when I lost my faith in me.
And now it is 100 percent for both me and humanity AND TRUST IN THE REST OF NATURE True aka GOD2, in all the dark and light flavors that comes in, everynow of everynow.
There is a time when I am so weak and cowardly that I wished the world away, as I did not have the courage to overcome my natural instinct NOT to kill myself to avoid the worst documented pain known to mankind, per the chronic type two Trigeminal Neuralgia that ruled my life for five years during all waking hours.
The pain took everything away, including my heart, soul, and spirit; all synonyms for the type of social cognition that allows pro-social emotions to be expressed in verbal and non-verbal ways for humans and the rest of nature IN empathic and sensory connection to feel and sense wholeness AND UNITY NEVER SEPARATED OR ALONE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN LIFE.
TO ESCAPE THE world of cultural by-products aka Human Tools for comfort, including abstract written language, collective intelligence, and complex culture in general that is now powered by many sources of substance or behavioral instant gratification, CAN BE to understand human nature MUCH BETTER innately, instinctually, and intuitively.
Give me some kind of shelter, the rest of nature, a song and a dance with others in empathic and sensory connection, and that IS ALL I NEED, AND THAT IS God to ME.
A TRUE Priest is one who lives in balance with Nature.
Anything else is counter-productive to me.
To Apologize, to admit Mistakes, to say Thank You and You Are welcome, is simply human reciprocal social cooperative balance REAL LIFE TOOLS and that is THE MOST IMPORTANT KIND OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE OF ALL, with or without the 'CLIFFS OF LIFE'.. TO remove undesired components of that.
Have a nice day and now, friend.
I'm glad I live in a time and place where folks like me HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO no longer BE the 'cliff' operators of life AKA 'CLIFF POLICEMEN'...
Words can be much kinder...AND GENTLER.. TO USE for effective and AFFECTIVE CHANGE.
Forgive me, but can you explain what Trigeminal Neuralgia is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigeminal_neuralgia
The link above from Wiki provides all the details, and I had type two Trigeminal Neuralgia affecting my right eye and ear making effective use of hearing and seeing almost impossible for the first 2 of 5 years, and still with extreme pain, with my computer screen turned all the way down for brightness, starting in the 3rd of 5 years, and finally ending at the end of July 2013, with also the end and or remission of 18 other medically documented disorders in what even the doctors described as a real life miracle that they had never seen before in any other patient with the severity of my issues.
Some of the doctors had given me zero chance of recovery, and there was no drug that ever helped the pain of that type two Trigeminal Neuralgia.
As you will see, if you look at the link that famous SCREAM painting is the signature painting for this infamously horrifying disease.....
Thank GOD it's over for me...
And no doubt my strength and confidence NOW comes DIRECTLY from that 5 years experience of literal human hell.
THE GREATEST LIGHT DOES COME FROM DARK, both in creation and human life, as far as I know now.
Anyway, thanks for asking, and giving a crap, as that attribute is sorely missing from this part of the website, overall, as long as I've been here.
There are nice exceptions though, like you.
Gives me even more hope for humanity, overall..
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Who said I was bothered by the term "slacker?" I'm annoyed that the right demeans poor people with that word, in order to claim they are misusing public assistance.
So it's not enough that I, a hate filled conservaive, would depart from the right wing dogma of no free ride and support a social safety net. You actually admit that you want a hammock for slackers to lounge on at taxpayer expense, using up funds that could go to those who actually can't work.
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And yes, as a matter of fact, those assh*les had said those cruel things about the lost children and their parents at Sandy Hook - it was in fact all over the news (again, cultural isolation on your part, Raptor; if in fact you had never actually heard of it). But never, ever have I said they didn't have rights to guns or anything else, just that they were bad people, and should be regarded as such by decent people everywhere.
1. I hardly watch the news. I get mine off of the internet and only what's of interest to me. If it's cultural isolationism that I don't have the news on all the time then so be it.
2. Are anti-gun lobbyist and their bought and paid for democratic politicians wrong for exploiting this incident and ones like it?
Quote:
And as for "whites only" - sure, in this day and age, there won't be such signs, even in the most backward places in the country, as civil rights laws have been enacted for over sixty years, and have gradually changed the hearts and minds of people. But whether they will or won't isn't the point - the point is, for a business to do such a thing is clearly wrong, house rules be damned. It's wrong for businesses to have denied service to Black Americans years ago, and it's equally wrong for businesses to do the same to LGBT Americans today.
Businesses exist to make money (a concept totally alien to some), and as long as your LGBT'ers are paying that's all they really care about. The very few businesses here and there that still won't allow them are too insignificant to matter to anyone with a life. Likewise, there are businesses that don't allow guns to be carried in their places of business (even concealed). I don't whine about it I just stop going there and let it be their loss.That's if I even see the sign and I usually don't even look for them. It's really no different.
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And just because I try to be conciliatory - which is apparently seen seen as a sign of weakness by you conservative and libertarian Ubermensch - hardly means anyone drags me into anything by my proverbial tail.
If that's what pases as conciliatory.....
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Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Who said I was bothered by the term "slacker?" I'm annoyed that the right demeans poor people with that word, in order to claim they are misusing public assistance.
So it's not enough that I, a hate filled conservaive, would depart from the right wing dogma of no free ride and support a social safety net. You actually admit that you want a hammock for slackers to lounge on at taxpayer expense, using up funds that could go to those who actually can't work.
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And yes, as a matter of fact, those assh*les had said those cruel things about the lost children and their parents at Sandy Hook - it was in fact all over the news (again, cultural isolation on your part, Raptor; if in fact you had never actually heard of it). But never, ever have I said they didn't have rights to guns or anything else, just that they were bad people, and should be regarded as such by decent people everywhere.
1. I hardly watch the news. I get mine off of the internet and only what's of interest to me. If it's cultural isolationism that I don't have the news on all the time then so be it.
2. Are anti-gun lobbyist and their bought and paid for democratic politicians wrong for exploiting this incident and ones like it?
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And as for "whites only" - sure, in this day and age, there won't be such signs, even in the most backward places in the country, as civil rights laws have been enacted for over sixty years, and have gradually changed the hearts and minds of people. But whether they will or won't isn't the point - the point is, for a business to do such a thing is clearly wrong, house rules be damned. It's wrong for businesses to have denied service to Black Americans years ago, and it's equally wrong for businesses to do the same to LGBT Americans today.
Businesses exist to make money (a concept totally alien to some), and as long as your LGBT'ers are paying that's all they really care about. The very few businesses here and there that still won't allow them are too insignificant to matter to anyone with a life. Likewise, there are businesses that don't allow guns to be carried in their places of business (even concealed). I don't whine about it I just stop going there and let it be their loss.That's if I even see the sign and I usually don't even look for them. It's really no different.
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And just because I try to be conciliatory - which is apparently seen seen as a sign of weakness by you conservative and libertarian Ubermensch - hardly means anyone drags me into anything by my proverbial tail.
If that's what pases as conciliatory.....
I don't recall saying I want a hammock for slackers, but rather, the right accuses anyone in need of public assistance of being a slacker. That's what makes me see red.
And as a matter of fact, LGBT Americans are the new blacks. The right has championed businesses who have turned away gays, trans, and others because they don't approve of their lifestyle. And while it would only make sense for businesses to be interested in profit from any customer, hate rarely is logical. Here in Washington, a woman who had been sued for turning away a gay couple from her bakery has been told that she violated the law. Another idiot woman had closed down her bakery so she wouldn't have to make LGBT wedding cakes - she has since become a martyred darling of the right. A Pediatrician recently told a lesbian couple that, after much prayer, she could no longer treat their child. And these are not by any means isolated cases, as state legislatures in red states have been trying to pass laws giving business owners exemptions to accommodate their religious beliefs (which means to discriminate against LGBT people). The same happened with desegregation, when white owned businesses chose to either disobey the new civil rights laws, or to simply shut their doors, rather than serve people they held pathological hatred for.
You had brought up how you're not at all bothered by businesses that ask you not to bring a gun into their premises. But that's hardly a fair comparison, as you can choose to carry your gun, or not to carry your gun. But with black Americans during Jim Crow, and with LGBT Americans today, they can't simply stop being what they are. In both cases, they were, and are, hated for who they are by people who put blind emotion above profit and good business sense.
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Raptor wrote:
Those who aren’t slackers aren't bothered by the word. The fact that you are says a lot that’s not flattering.
you really don't understand people. so let me put it this way, you love being independent never taking aid always providing for yourself, then you lose everything and go on welfare, people call you a slacker, you feel bad cause you are independent minded forced to take aid.
so yes plenty of people who are on rough times forced to take aid feel bad about being called slackers, they feel ashamed to have to be where they are. this doesn't make them slackers.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Who said I was bothered by the term "slacker?" I'm annoyed that the right demeans poor people with that word, in order to claim they are misusing public assistance.
So it's not enough that I, a hate filled conservaive, would depart from the right wing dogma of no free ride and support a social safety net. You actually admit that you want a hammock for slackers to lounge on at taxpayer expense, using up funds that could go to those who actually can't work.
so you think all poor people are just slackers who misuse public assistance? cause I didn't see him say that.
heres news for you, more often than not in fact almost all the time, those who can't work are poor people. if those who can't work were rich people they wouldn't' need aid.
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AND FINALLY, REAL TOUGH GUYS don't usually do the bullying thing, as they truly have nothing to prove, when it comes to flesh and blood REAL life and are confident enough in themselves to be enough as is.
ON the Internet, proof is required, obviously; so I provide that and also inspire others with it, who are not jealous or whatever.....
ON the Internet, proof is required, obviously; so I provide that and also inspire others with it, who are not jealous or whatever.....
Normally, I don't reply to obviously moronic posts by people who clearly have problems above and beyond AS, but I simply must point out that I have never claimed to be any kind of 'tough guy', and can't help but wonder why you find it so important to constantly remind everyone how "tough" you are; are you planning on fighting anyone on here? My avatar is me shooting because shooting is my hobby, no other reason, I prefer to do my "fighting" verbally, not with over the top claims about my physical prowess or comparing myself to various semi-historical deities, that's just silly, to put it mildly. Why is it so important for you to emphasize your physical power? It's irrelevant tot the subject at hand, and makes you sound ridiculous and delusional, at best. You come off like Brucie from GTAIV, only more delusional and condescending and with worse grammar and punctuation, which really is not a good look.
You're not doing Bill any favors, I mean with him I can point out the fallacies in his arguments and the holes in his logic along with his dishonest strawmanning; you, you don't really bring arguments or logic, so I'm forced to rely on mockery, which you make laughably easy with your bragging and CAPS-LOCK COMMANDO tendencies. Notice that I'm not wasting much time on you, as it would be exactly that, a waste of time, and I would feel bad sandblasting a soupcracker by actually turning my full attention to you. A real dick would link you out on I2 or 4chan or Kiwifarms, I mean you'd be like a goldmine for them, but thankfully for you I keep it classy.
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aghogday wrote:
Trust me, I'm much too clever PER documented at this point, for your games or whatever it is you are doing..
My "game" concerning you has been to get you to say as many stupid and off-putting things as possible, and I've succeeded beyond my wildest expectations. Do you think most people respond positively to someone who compares himself to Jesus while bragging about what a badass he is? Most people think guys like that are morons who aren't worth paying attention to, FYI. Are you quite sure you know what the word 'clever' means?
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If I have to take a choice between stubbornness, lack of comprehension, or lying, I'll take being stubborn. Please, do not accuse me of lying.
I'll stop calling you liar when you stop saying things that are not true, pretty simple concept, though after years of reading your posts, I suspect a issues beyond AS and stubbornness more than anything, along with a schoolyard mentality regarding counter argument (he did it first!! !).
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And as for "house rules," believe what you want, but it hardly makes it right, particularly since that very practice was used against black Americans during segregation, and is now being used against the LGBT community. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong, and denying service to anyone in order to dehumanize them is clearly wrong.
Your simplistic yet unearned certainty regarding right and wrong has been noted. Again, at this point I don't think you're even capable of thinking it through competently.
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And of course I'm going to make the same kinds of arguments against conservatives and libertarians who use that kind of arguments against me and my fellow liberals, moral equivalency, strawmen, and all.
And as a matter of fact, "rash" is my middle name.
And as a matter of fact, "rash" is my middle name.
Do you even know what those terms mean?
Links?
Further, are you still in gradeschoool? "They did it first, so it's okay for me to do it" needs to stay on the playground where it belongs.
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aghogday wrote:
AND FINALLY, REAL TOUGH GUYS don't usually do the bullying thing, as they truly have nothing to prove, when it comes to flesh and blood REAL life and are confident enough in themselves to be enough as is.
ON the Internet, proof is required, obviously; so I provide that and also inspire others with it, who are not jealous or whatever.....
ON the Internet, proof is required, obviously; so I provide that and also inspire others with it, who are not jealous or whatever.....
Normally, I don't reply to obviously moronic posts by people who clearly have problems above and beyond AS, but I simply must point out that I have never claimed to be any kind of 'tough guy', and can't help but wonder why you find it so important to constantly remind everyone how "tough" you are; are you planning on fighting anyone on here? My avatar is me shooting because shooting is my hobby, no other reason, I prefer to do my "fighting" verbally, not with over the top claims about my physical prowess or comparing myself to various semi-historical deities, that's just silly, to put it mildly. Why is it so important for you to emphasize your physical power? It's irrelevant tot the subject at hand, and makes you sound ridiculous and delusional, at best. You come off like Brucie from GTAIV, only more delusional and condescending and with worse grammar and punctuation, which really is not a good look.
You're not doing Bill any favors, I mean with him I can point out the fallacies in his arguments and the holes in his logic along with his dishonest strawmanning; you, you don't really bring arguments or logic, so I'm forced to rely on mockery, which you make laughably easy with your bragging and CAPS-LOCK COMMANDO tendencies. Notice that I'm not wasting much time on you, as it would be exactly that, a waste of time, and I would feel bad sandblasting a soupcracker by actually turning my full attention to you. A real dick would link you out on I2 or 4chan or Kiwifarms, I mean you'd be like a goldmine for them, but thankfully for you I keep it classy.
You don't impress me. I came here to defend Bill, not me.
I'm just playing with you.
Get IT.
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Dox47 wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Trust me, I'm much too clever PER documented at this point, for your games or whatever it is you are doing..
My "game" concerning you has been to get you to say as many stupid and off-putting things as possible, and I've succeeded beyond my wildest expectations. Do you think most people respond positively to someone who compares himself to Jesus while bragging about what a badass he is? Most people think guys like that are morons who aren't worth paying attention to, FYI. Are you quite sure you know what the word 'clever' means?
You don't impress me. I came here to defend Bill, not me.
I'm just playing with you.
Get IT.
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Gravatar is one of the coolest things ever!! !
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