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08 Jan 2017, 9:37 am

Shahunshah wrote:

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However, if you want specific examples
1. The systematic presumption of guilt by the police in rape accusations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html

2. The systematic presumption of guilt by the military in rape accusations
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/a-soldiers-story-the-travesty-of-false-allegation/

3. The systematic presumption of guilt by colleges in rape accusations
http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/17/guilty-until-proven-innocent

4. Having your gender declared "toxic"
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29757/

5. Having your entire gender blamed for the actions of a few
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/

6. Being unable to defend themselves from domestic violence
https://domestic-violence-law.com/domestic-abuse-against-men/

7. Being admitted into college at a lower rates
http://www.rooshv.com/american-men-are-being-institutionally-oppressed

8. Being denied a voice on campus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11670138/Why-are-our-universities-blocking-mens-societies.html

9. Restrictions on the number of men who can participate in college sports
http://time.com/2912420/titleix-anniversary/

10. Discrimination against boys in schools
url]https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1501125427[/url]

11. Having our motives questioned when we open up a facility for men and boys
http://globalnews.ca/news/1676642/controversial-centre-for-men-opens-in-toronto-amid-criticism/

You probably already know about all this. You said yourself men experience sexism first so you're already aware this. However, you said I was being obtuse so I thought perhaps it was being I wasn't providing any specific examples.

Is this oppression of men by women? Not always. Much of the oppression of men is enacted by other men. Yes, this is men's fault.

When men, particularly white men claim to be oppressed, I can not help but laugh. Those poor men have is so tough.

In the United States. 25 million white people live in poverty. That is more than the amount of African Americans 10 million and Hispanics 10 million put together. The majority of people living off food stamps are white people. If you look at the states of West Virginia and Kentucky the income is 40,000 that is less than what is earned by Hispanic Americans.

Stop denigrating White Americans many of them have it tough. We got to reach out to those people.

Evertime someone wants to say that the US is not racist, the always site absolute numbers and say, "see, more white people are suffering."

What is the percentage of black people in poverty compared to the percentage of white people.

But that was not my point.

I said that men, particullaly white men have it sooo tough.

What percentage of CEOs, elected officials, religeous leaders and supervisors are men?

What do men get paid in comparison to women?

What percentage of women are beaten, raped or killed by men vs. men who are beaten, raped or killed by women?

Oh yeah, we have so tough, can I cry on your shoulder?

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08 Jan 2017, 9:47 am

Wow! Looking at some of these other posts, I must have really hit a nerve.

Everyone come to the defense of the poor downtrodden man.

This going to make it tough for you all, I am a white male.

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08 Jan 2017, 9:53 am

Shahunshah wrote:

cathylynn wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

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When men, particularly white men claim to be oppressed, I can not help but laugh. Those poor men have is so tough.

are you being sarcastic? raw numbers don't tell the story. the % of minorites who live in poverty is much higher,

It is higher. But if we paint white people with the same dismal brush and ignore the struggles they go through we risk alienating them.

I did not say this but the median African American income is actually only slightly higher 39,000 than it is for the median African American income 35,000.

That wide brush was all ready being used and the statistic about median income is a base canard.

What percentage of black men make that median income vs white men?

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08 Jan 2017, 11:40 am

feral botanist wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

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When men, particularly white men claim to be oppressed, I can not help but laugh. Those poor men have is so tough.

Of course most White people have it good. But I was not talking about you and me. The point I was trying to make is that we can't generalize White people as if they have it better than everyone else not all of them do. Go to Scranton, Pennsylvania and you will a high percentage of White people living in poverty don't call those people privileged because they are not. When we constantly say that White people are more privileged as a whole collectively we forget the very significant number that is downtrodden and their concerns are not legitimate.

I think we should advocate for the White people of Kentucky, West Virginia and the Rust Belt the same way we do so for minorities. Your not privileged when General Motors takes away your job and breaks your source of income quite the opposite.

Remember if you're a woman coming out of high school or university you will still be earning far more than the average person in Kentucky and West Virginia or a man in Scranton.

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08 Jan 2017, 12:00 pm

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I agree with you not all white people have it good and the divide between the rich and poor is widening regardless of race, but retrogamer posted a bunch of "poor is me, I am an oppressed white guy" websites and I will not accept that story.

I think the loss of jobs was one of the major factors in the outcome of the election. Hillary was the status quo candidate. The democrats lost, trump didn't win. IF trump does what he promised for working people, I will be grateful, but so far he has reneged on all of his campaign promises.

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08 Jan 2017, 12:09 pm

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At what point in history did women have all the power over men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

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08 Jan 2017, 12:11 pm

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I am starting to see what Rand Paul was saying when he said that liberals did not understand his people in Kentucky.

What----what do you see----what was he saying? Just curious.....

I haven't been able to find the video but I remember watching it.

And no I was not being sarcastic.

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08 Jan 2017, 12:12 pm

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At what point in history did women have all the power over men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

You really think women had all the power over men at that point?

Who ran the churches?
Who ran business?
Who ran the military?

who could legally beat their spouses?

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08 Jan 2017, 12:13 pm

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wilburforce wrote:

At what point in history did women have all the power over men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

Oh yeah. When working class Brits were free to beat their spouses and hardly any women were admitted into higher education.

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08 Jan 2017, 12:41 pm

feral botanist wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

wilburforce wrote:

At what point in history did women have all the power over men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

You really think women had all the power over men at that point?

Who ran the churches?
Who ran business?
Who ran the military?

who could legally beat their spouses?

Queen Victoria had complete authority over the entire British Empire which was at its peak in terms of size and power under her stewardship. No man or woman has come close to holding the sway she did.

It's astonishing that you're perfectly content to dismiss Queen Victoria as an outlier, yet you asked the following question earlier in the thread, and without a hint of irony:

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What percentage of CEOs, elected officials, religeous leaders and supervisors are men?

Much like Queen Victoria isn't representative of all women, that small percentage of hyper-successful businessmen are not representative of all men, nor are they evidence that either sex is oppressed.

You also came out with this little gem:

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I said that men, particullaly white men have it sooo tough.

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What percentage of women are beaten, raped or killed by men vs. men who are beaten, raped or killed by women?

Oh yeah, we have so tough, can I cry on your shoulder?

These are prime examples of the lunacy that drives identity politics. Who cares if individuals suffer horribly at the hands of the system if the group of people you've arbitrarily decided to lump them in with have, in your opinion, better average outcomes? Your position is literally the following:

"Stop feeling sorry for yourself, falsely accused guy who lost his wife, his home, his kids, his dignity and his battle versus alcoholism. You might be riddled with diseases and living in a box now, but at least you weren't born black! Or female!"

It's blisteringly idiotic.

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08 Jan 2017, 12:47 pm

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Thankyou, for this. I'm terribly tired of people not acknowledging this. It's time for the pendulum to swing-back, at least, to the middle (meaning, it's time that impoverished white people's plights are, at least, considered EQUALLY).

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08 Jan 2017, 12:49 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

wilburforce wrote:

At what point in history did women have all the power over men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

Oh yeah. When working class Brits were free to beat their spouses and hardly any women were admitted into higher education.

You're missing the point Shahunshah. The social justice argument is that "well, 1% of white men have most of the power so every other demographic is oppressed". Queen Victoria owned most of the world, but that's somehow irrelevant?

It's patently absurd to judge people as monolithic groups based on arbitrary metrics in order to paint your preferred groups as victims of oppression. It also ignores the very significant fact that the large majority of men in the UK didn't experience suffrage until millions of them died or were wounded in the Great War. Yet we've been told that men have never had to fight for their rights in this very thread.

It's time the race and gender trolls realised their divisive narrative causes nothing but enmity towards them from the millions of people who don't conveniently fit their arbitrary little boxes.

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08 Jan 2017, 1:05 pm

All this talk about averages and statistics yet people forget that Eastern Asians and Jews regularly top those tables, far outperforming whites. Yet no talk (at least not from the Left) about Asian Privilege and Jew Privilege. Perhaps, dear virtue-signaling progs, your cross hairs need realignment, or (just between you and me) admit your true motivations.

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08 Jan 2017, 1:18 pm

feral botanist and Campin_Cat wrote:

...but retrogamer posted a bunch of "poor is me, I am an oppressed white guy" websites and I will not accept that story.

I get what you're sayin'----but, in Retro's defense, I can certainly understand why the bombardment of "Oh, woe, is me----I'm a woman" posts got to him; because, even though I'm a woman, they get on MY nerves, sometimes (cuz, like, on this very site, for instance, it seems like every time we turn-around, a male user is being bashed and being called a sexist----while, it seems like, women can make all the derogatory comments, they WANT about men, and that seems to be okay; and, to ME, that's not fair----again, EQUAL VOICE).

I think the loss of jobs was one of the major factors in the outcome of the election. Hillary was the status quo candidate. The democrats lost, trump didn't win. IF trump does what he promised for working people, I will be grateful, but so far he has reneged on all of his campaign promises.

Yeah, I can agree with the underlined part----it's like he won, by default.

As for him reneging: Well, it seems pretty rare that a candidate keeps his promises, as they'll say ANYTHING, just to get elected; and, we the voters, have to decide who tells the LEAST lies, or which lies we can LIVE-with, or whatever----and, that's quite sad.

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08 Jan 2017, 1:26 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

I am starting to see what Rand Paul was saying when he said that liberals did not understand his people in Kentucky.

What----what do you see----what was he saying? Just curious.....

I haven't been able to find the video but I remember watching it.

That's okay (I can't watch videos, anyway----limited bandwidth). I understand what you were saying, now, anyway, cuz of the last post of yours, to which I responded. THANKS, though!

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08 Jan 2017, 2:19 pm

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Queen Victoria had complete authority over the entire British Empire which was at its peak in terms of size and power under her stewardship. No man or woman has come close to holding the sway she did.

TOTALLY not meaning to throw a stick in your cogs----but, wasn't the U.K. a constitutional monarchy, by-that-time? I could be wrong----I just wanted to check with ya, for my OWN learning experience.

Who cares if individuals suffer horribly at the hands of the system if the group of people you've arbitrarily decided to lump them in with have, in your opinion, better average outcomes?

"Stop feeling sorry for yourself, falsely accused guy who lost his wife, his home, his kids, his dignity and his battle versus alcoholism. You might be riddled with diseases and living in a box now, but at least you weren't born black! Or female!"

Yeah, I must admit that I have gotten quite sick of this attitude, as well, because I have to put-up with discrimination, for instance, on a fairly regular basis----but, it dudn't matter, cuz a white person can't possibly hurt / be hurt. Don't get me wrong, I'm not tryin' to say that white people hurt / are hurt, MORE----I just feel that this new-coined term "reverse discrimination", is HORSE-HOCKEY, and that racism is racism, and that NO ONE should have to put-up, with it!!

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