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30 Nov 2010, 7:32 pm

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The dems bent over backwards to include the repubs *before* this election, and received a cold shoulder at every turn; I see no reason why they should continue to do so, especially given that the repubs are now even more radical.


LKL, that is utterly false and you know it. "My way or the highway," routines is not bipartisanship, even that sitdown with the President on the healthcare summit was a farce as Rush Limbaugh predicted. Bill Clinton could actually be bipartisan, Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi don't know how to be bipartisan.



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30 Nov 2010, 7:35 pm

Orwell wrote:
I'm on record a few times as saying that democracy is absurd; that's hardly a sentiment you can expect to hear from anyone in politics.

Putin?



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30 Nov 2010, 7:38 pm

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Orwell wrote:
I'm on record a few times as saying that democracy is absurd; that's hardly a sentiment you can expect to hear from anyone in politics.

Putin?


Putin, Stalin, Hitler, Chavez, and any other crackpot dictator.

Btw, we are a Constitutional Republic which is not exactly a Democracy.



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30 Nov 2010, 7:41 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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The dems bent over backwards to include the repubs *before* this election, and received a cold shoulder at every turn; I see no reason why they should continue to do so, especially given that the repubs are now even more radical.


LKL, that is utterly false and you know it. "My way or the highway," routines is not bipartisanship, even that sitdown with the President on the healthcare summit was a farce as Rush Limbaugh predicted. Bill Clinton could actually be bipartisan, Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi don't know how to be bipartisan.

You can't be bipartisan with the GOP these days, because they refuse to be reasonable. Even when Obama tries to implement Republican proposals the Republicans block him merely for the sake of blocking him. It's not about the policy for them; it's just about politics. See the START treaty, where the Republicans are putting our national security in danger for no conceivable purpose but to deny Obama a foreign policy success.


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30 Nov 2010, 7:43 pm

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Btw, we are a Constitutional Republic which is not exactly a Democracy.

1) I doubt you could even describe a meaningful distinction between the two systems.
2) "Republic" and "democracy" are not mutually exclusive terms. That is, the set of all republics and the set of all democracies have a non-empty intersection. The USA is both a "Constitutional Republic" and a "Liberal Democracy."


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30 Nov 2010, 7:45 pm

People vote for Republicans because they want accountable government; they want fiscally sound government; they want a government that respects their morals; and most of all they just want plain less government. We the People are tired of being lied to by an expansive government bureaucracy that lines special-interest backers' pockets with taxpayers' cash! We the People are fed up with Imam Obama using the Constitution as toilet paper! We the People, the Real America, have had enough of our proclivities and lifestyles being treated as ignorant, insecure, and misguided! We the People want no more of the Hahvahd-educated eggheads and Washington technocrats telling us what goes on in Muskegee.



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30 Nov 2010, 7:49 pm

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People vote for Republicans because they want accountable government; they want fiscally sound government; they want a government that respects their morals; and most of all they just want plain less government. We the People are tired of being lied to by an expansive government bureaucracy that lines special-interest backers' pockets with taxpayers' cash! We the People are fed up with Imam Obama using the Constitution as toilet paper! We the People, the Real America, have had enough of our proclivities and lifestyles being treated as ignorant, insecure, and misguided! We the People want no more of the Hahvahd-educated eggheads and Washington technocrats telling us what goes on in Muskegee.


That is what they want. Tom DeLay is what they get

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30 Nov 2010, 7:59 pm

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NeantHumain wrote:
People vote for Republicans because they want accountable government; they want fiscally sound government; they want a government that respects their morals; and most of all they just want plain less government. We the People are tired of being lied to by an expansive government bureaucracy that lines special-interest backers' pockets with taxpayers' cash! We the People are fed up with Imam Obama using the Constitution as toilet paper! We the People, the Real America, have had enough of our proclivities and lifestyles being treated as ignorant, insecure, and misguided! We the People want no more of the Hahvahd-educated eggheads and Washington technocrats telling us what goes on in Muskegee.


That is what they want. Tom DeLay is what they get

Tom DeLay's only crime was advancing the Republican Party, which is really no crime at all.



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30 Nov 2010, 9:03 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
People vote for Republicans because they want accountable government; they want fiscally sound government; they want a government that respects their morals; and most of all they just want plain less government. We the People are tired of being lied to by an expansive government bureaucracy that lines special-interest backers' pockets with taxpayers' cash! We the People are fed up with Imam Obama using the Constitution as toilet paper! We the People, the Real America, have had enough of our proclivities and lifestyles being treated as ignorant, insecure, and misguided! We the People want no more of the Hahvahd-educated eggheads and Washington technocrats telling us what goes on in Muskegee.



They want results, nothing more, nothing less. They want effective government. They want a steady hand on the tiller. They don't want the headless chicken in the barnyard. The most important things is jobs. The GOP is for the Reserve Army of Labour and liquidationism, that depressions aren't a bad thing...



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30 Nov 2010, 9:09 pm

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Tom DeLay's only crime was advancing the Republican Party, which is really no crime at all.


He broke laws, he took bribes and he was convicted in court.

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30 Nov 2010, 9:14 pm

The way Obama has behaved so far, it's easier to appreciate the US people's decision to choose Bush over Dukakis in '88.



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30 Nov 2010, 10:56 pm

ruveyn wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Tom DeLay's only crime was advancing the Republican Party, which is really no crime at all.


He broke laws, he took bribes and he was convicted in court.

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DeLay had the courtesy to resign. Btw, wasn't it Republican Senator John McCain that headed the investigation.

Heck people miss George W. Bush more and more, at least he had class, you knew he loved this country, and didn't view the American People as the enemy.

Oh here is something to watch:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4442350



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01 Dec 2010, 1:00 am

Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Tom DeLay's only crime was advancing the Republican Party, which is really no crime at all.


He broke laws, he took bribes and he was convicted in court.

ruveyn


DeLay had the courtesy to resign. Btw, wasn't it Republican Senator John McCain that headed the investigation.

Heck people miss George W. Bush more and more, at least he had class, you knew he loved this country, and didn't view the American People as the enemy.

Oh here is something to watch:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4442350


The key behind the success of the Republicans and especially their deep passionate love of that blatant incompetent G.W.Bush is the success of the pharmaceutical companies to persuade the psychotherapists to depend upon outpatient medication rather than keeping severely demented patients locked away. It was important that these unfortunates find some way to earn a living and not be an economic burden on society. The very successful solution was to elect them as Republicans to Congress and install them as commentators on the Fox news system. The idea seems to have worked very well.



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The key behind the success of the Republicans and especially their deep passionate love of that blatant incompetent G.W.Bush is the success of the pharmaceutical companies to persuade the psychotherapists to depend upon outpatient medication rather than keeping severely demented patients locked away. It was important that these unfortunates find some way to earn a living and not be an economic burden on society. The very successful solution was to elect them as Republicans to Congress and install them as commentators on the Fox news system. The idea seems to have worked very well.


The incompetence, half-measures, capitulation, unclarity, and waffling of the DLC Democratic establishment didn't help.*

* This gem from the DLCocrats who endorsed Kerry is worth repeating:

Corporate Democratic Establishment wrote:
As a charter member of the Senate New Democrat Coalition, Kerry has often rejected the stale left-right options that disguise the real choices facing the country -- choices that are rarely reflected in mechanical interest-group Congressional vote ratings, but that are in line with the real sentiments of the American people.

As a Blair Democrat and a proponent of a tough-minded progressive internationalism, Kerry understands that America's security and our influence in a dangerous world depend on both a willingness to use America's military might and a willingness to advance our values in concert with countries that share them.

...

We suspect the more voters learn about John Kerry's actual views, the more they will be inclined to say: "If this is a waffle, bring on the syrup."


http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contenti ... &subid=192


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01 Dec 2010, 1:12 am

xenon13 wrote:
The way Obama has behaved so far, it's easier to appreciate the US people's decision to choose Bush over Dukakis in '88.


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He [Obama] doesn't need a chief of staff. He needs someone to shake him until he feels something strongly enough not just to talk about it but to act. He's increasingly appearing to the public, and particularly to swing voters, like Dukakis without the administrative skill. And although he is likely to squeak by with a personal victory in 2012 if the economy improves by then, he may well do so with a Republican Congress. But then I suppose he'll get the bipartisanship he always wanted.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-west ... 98813.html


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01 Dec 2010, 1:16 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
The way Obama has behaved so far, it's easier to appreciate the US people's decision to choose Bush over Dukakis in '88.


Drew Westen wrote:
He [Obama] doesn't need a chief of staff. He needs someone to shake him until he feels something strongly enough not just to talk about it but to act. He's increasingly appearing to the public, and particularly to swing voters, like Dukakis without the administrative skill. And although he is likely to squeak by with a personal victory in 2012 if the economy improves by then, he may well do so with a Republican Congress. But then I suppose he'll get the bipartisanship he always wanted.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-west ... 98813.html


If that is your star witness, your argument is in serious trouble. The National Enquirer has a better record than Huffington.