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09 Apr 2012, 7:44 pm

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Meh, there's no point in trying to set you straight about what I believe. You just like to go around rebuking people with your ravenous wolf face and snarling commentary. :lol:


And you did not know this when I first started talking to you? I kind of thought you would ignore me, I was basically content talking into a vacuum and just putting it out there. Apparently I mimic a Tone Troll, but I don't plan to irritate people or incense them, it is just how I talk to them. Respect is earned, you know.

I used to be a very poor "left-hand path" follower, but if I had to do any curses or something like that it would be rebuke curses. I did not trust myself with the destruction spells because I was too unstable in my emotions. So that is a compliment, thank you.

If you did not bring up Nazis, I wouldn't be here. That's your fault.



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09 Apr 2012, 7:45 pm

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I am of German acestry I a feminst I do not like being compared to a Neo-Nazi :x


Ya, I knew you're German, and I can't be any more clear than I have been about the fact that I'm talking about what these particular people were saying they were going to do, not who they are or the tenets of Neo-Naziism. I said "whites protecting whites because they are white". I said that to isolate the variable I'm intending to reference. It doesn't matter whether they are Neo-Nazis or a band of Scottish bagpipers, it matters what they said they would do, and how it is wrong of them to single out white people for protection.


The Nazis killed a lot of white people just sayin.


I know. But we're not talking about Nazis or Neo-Nazis -- what I'm talking about is group supremacy: setting up any one group for special status above the others. It's a little thing called "being unfair".
In biblical Christianity, that's wrong.


Then bibical Christianity would not be for Democracy or Capitalism that would be seen as wrong.


Democracy is a very Christian system, in that everyone is treated as equal in value, and their opinions are not considered less if they're poor or lack influence. That's the intent and the theory, anyway. YMMV

As for Capitalism, it's true that Jesus clearly wasn't for people seeking after riches, but capitalism just means freedom to engage in trade, with as little meddling from third parties as possible, unless a particular act of trade hurts someone. Capitalism is trade. Trade isn't wrong -- if it were, everyone would be dead because they couldn't buy or barter for food, nor could those who grew food receive funding through purchase to cover their food growing costs.


While all of that is true Democracy never works that way in America nor does Capitalism. If you come from a lower middle class family like I do you are the victim of classism.


Then how have countless Americans come from abject poverty and risen upward to becoming powerful multi-millionaires? Because we don't live in a caste system, like India has, or a class system, like the U.K. has had. In those systems your economic destiny is the same as your origin, because of the systems and traditions in place. America is not a caste or class system, and so people can rise or fall through personal economic levels by their own merits, luck, or misfortune. Their status isn't a frozen one, like it is in most of the world.


Simple most people who are multi-millionaires have children those children inherited wealth. The rich have their own class system the memmebers of the family of a wealthy person are born into money.

America is the best example of this hardly any of them work for their money it is all ready given to them I hate a free lunch I would rather work for myslef then it be given freely to me.



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09 Apr 2012, 7:48 pm

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While all of that is true Democracy never works that way in America nor does Capitalism. If you come from a lower middle class family like I do you are the victim of classism.


Capitalism is the very reason why The US had a much higher standard of living than the USSR during the cold war. Furthermore, I don't think there's any country where a college graduate has a higher salary in terms of purchasing power than the US.

There are no other country (none, period) where someone with a bachelor's degree in history or political science can afford a late model Corvette.

Also, in terms of democracy, I'd say the US is among the top 20 on a world basis.



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09 Apr 2012, 7:52 pm

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While all of that is true Democracy never works that way in America nor does Capitalism. If you come from a lower middle class family like I do you are the victim of classism.


Capitalism is the very reason why The US had a much higher standard of living than the USSR during the cold war. Furthermore, I don't think there's any country where a college graduate has a higher salary in terms of purchasing power than the US.


I knew that it can be a good thing but it need reuglation.

And yes their is India China basically the Asia economic power house does.



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09 Apr 2012, 7:54 pm

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While all of that is true Democracy never works that way in America nor does Capitalism. If you come from a lower middle class family like I do you are the victim of classism.


Capitalism is the very reason why The US had a much higher standard of living than the USSR during the cold war. Furthermore, I don't think there's any country where a college graduate has a higher salary in terms of purchasing power than the US.


I knew that it can be a good thing but it need reuglation.

And yes their is India China basically the Asia economic power house does.


Both India and China are socialist countries. However, Singapore, Hong Kong (which still retains almost complete autonomy), South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are all capitalist countries. These small countries are all on par with Western-Europe in terms of living conditions.



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09 Apr 2012, 7:56 pm

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Meh, there's no point in trying to set you straight about what I believe. You just like to go around rebuking people with your ravenous wolf face and snarling commentary. :lol:

Respect is earned, you know.


And disrespect is the default, it seems.

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If you did not bring up Nazis, I wouldn't be here. That's your fault.

Like the graph showed, they had to come goose-stepping in eventually. This thread was getting rather long.


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09 Apr 2012, 7:58 pm

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While all of that is true Democracy never works that way in America nor does Capitalism. If you come from a lower middle class family like I do you are the victim of classism.


Capitalism is the very reason why The US had a much higher standard of living than the USSR during the cold war. Furthermore, I don't think there's any country where a college graduate has a higher salary in terms of purchasing power than the US.


I knew that it can be a good thing but it need reuglation.

And yes their is India China basically the Asia economic power house does.


Both India and China are socialist countries. However, Singapore, Hong Kong (which still retains almost complete autonomy), South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are all capitalist countries. These small countries are all on par with Western-Europe in terms of living conditions.


Small in living conditions but huge in regards to the job market over their much better then the Western-Europe Job Market.

Asia countries are good at business and at handleing their Economy.



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09 Apr 2012, 8:07 pm

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Asia countries are good at business and at handleing their Economy.


Could be. But both Hong Kong and Singapore are far more capitalistic than The States.



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09 Apr 2012, 8:10 pm

True but their business market is more sustainable then the one in the US we must change our ways to fix this.



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09 Apr 2012, 8:11 pm

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I wasn't actually implying that women are less capable of work due to their hormones,

here is where you implied it:
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If you were specifically referring to the testosterone and estrogen comments, I don't think I've ever met a woman who say they aren't more emotional when they have more estrogen. More emotion, can manifest in negative ways, such as snapping on clients, crying in meetings and so on. On the same note, punching a client in the face due to more testosterone would have the same negative impact.


oh, unless you are saying that these supposed hormonal responses do NOT make them inferior employees, in which case.... exactly why should they be receiving lower pay for their work?

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even though http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 212846.htm perhaps indicates something. A bit of that could be staying home with children.

what is your point about that?

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The reason I mentioned the hormones are that increased hormone levels do affect people, http://www.iiav.nl/ezines/web/ijt/97-03 ... o03_02.htm


those transgendered people felt differences in mood but it would be in contrast to how they felt before. it is like going through puberty, which is a difficult time of transition for many people. it is not comparable to being an adult of the opposite sex whose hormones are not in turmoil.

and once again... my monthly hormones do not affect how i behave around people or react to them. just like not all men react violently to things due to testosterone, not all women are affected strongly by hormones. i am a female and i do not consider myself atypical. in 20 years (in 20 jobs) i have only worked with 1 woman who got very excessively irritable during her period.

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and what does that have to do with transgendered people who demonstrated that women get paid less than men due to discrimination? people don't transition to the opposite sex and suddenly work more or less hours due to hormone treatments or different genitalia. LOL.

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And this is just a safety response if you wanted to add that tired old tripe about housework. http://www2.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/news ... enewal.pdf

why would i talk about housework?


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09 Apr 2012, 8:12 pm

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Anyone who's worth their salt will want to change the name if only because there are a lot of men who might actually agree with a fair few beliefs from the non-bitter sections of feminism, but they're browbeaten by the more aggressive feminists into submitting or being abused.

how *exactly* are non-feminist men abused?


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09 Apr 2012, 8:13 pm

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Yet, women protecting women because they are women is a good thing to her.

you didn't ever demonstrate how this supposedly happens. show me where feminism ONLY supports women.


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09 Apr 2012, 9:41 pm

It's not that women perform poorly at work but rather that women tend to think more holistically or with a genius like intuitive integrative comprehensive capability. Bosses tend to favor men because bosses only grade on the specialized and basic skills that a worker acquires. Also Bosses only grade based on factual evidence which rules out any consideration of a woman's gifted intuition because her ideas are not yet proven.



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09 Apr 2012, 9:51 pm

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Yet, women protecting women because they are women is a good thing to her.

you didn't ever demonstrate how this supposedly happens. show me where feminism ONLY supports women.


Feminism is all about supporting women. You're being obtuse by pretending not to know that.


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It's not that women perform poorly at work but rather that women tend to think more holistically or with a genius like intuitive integrative comprehensive capability. Bosses tend to favor men because bosses only grade on the specialized and basic skills that a worker acquires. Also Bosses only grade based on factual evidence which rules out any consideration of a woman's gifted intuition because her ideas are not yet proven.


You certainly bring the lolz to this forum, androbot! :P But in case you're being serious, there is simply no evidence behind your claims of female superiority.

There are professions where intuition, empathy, and even holistic thinking are a useful skills to have. Like social work for instance. Most social workers are women because it is a job that requires interpersonal skills involving intuition and being understand and supportive. So I say that women who have those traits should consider doing such jobs. But in many workplaces, it is specialized skills that are the most needed.



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09 Apr 2012, 9:59 pm

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Yet, women protecting women because they are women is a good thing to her.

you didn't ever demonstrate how this supposedly happens. show me where feminism ONLY supports women.


Feminism is all about supporting women. You're being obtuse by pretending not to know that.

erm, no. we have explained to you again and again that it involves equality for BOTH men and women. i think that perhaps you are not listening.


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