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08 Jan 2017, 3:05 pm

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The social justice argument is that "well, 1% of white men have most of the power so every other demographic is oppressed".

I THINK I know what you're saying, here..... I think about it, coming-from a DIFFERENT angle, though----as in, SJWs are OVERestimating the amount of white people who are doing well, so that their sacrificial lambs, so-to-speak, look even MORE pathetic / lacking / whatever; because, for instance, "pathetic" sells newspapers, gets clicks / viewership, etc.

It's time the race and gender trolls realised their divisive narrative causes nothing but enmity towards them from the millions of people who don't conveniently fit their arbitrary little boxes.

Yeah, and even those who DO (fit their arbitrary boxes)----like, what I was saying, before, about me being tired of the "Oh, boo-hoo----I'm a woman----don't you feel sorry for me", posts.

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08 Jan 2017, 3:11 pm

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TOTALLY not meaning to throw a stick in your cogs----but, wasn't the U.K. a constitutional monarchy, by-that-time? I could be wrong----I just wanted to check with ya, for my OWN learning experience.

Again, not the point of the example. And regardless, she was still arguably the most influential individual on the planet (as well as one of the most wealthy).

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Yeah, I must admit that I have gotten quite sick of this attitude, as well, because I have to put-up with discrimination, for instance, on a fairly regular basis----but, it dudn't matter, cuz a white person can't possibly hurt / be hurt. Don't get me wrong, I'm not tryin' to say that white people hurt / are hurt, MORE----I just feel that this new-coined term "reverse discrimination", is HORSE-HOCKEY, and that racism is racism, and that NO ONE should have to put-up, with it!!

The mere act of using "reverse" before an "-ism" is itself "-ist", as it implies that the "-ism" is somehow lesser based on arbitrary differences.

It's irrelevant whether "white people hurt/are hurt more", because when you endure pain and suffering it isn't somehow mitigated by being magically shared amongst other people in your demographic. Most of us have the fortune to be alive in a time and place that grants us greater luxury and opportunity than any of our forebears came close to having. Denying the suffering of individuals on the basis of skin colour or genitalia for political gain is both crass and selfish. It also flies in the face of the egalitarian, humanistic principles our societies were built upon.

I'm with MLK. We should judge people by the content of their character. Likewise, we should gauge the misfortune of an individual based on the merits of their circumstances and not by the colour of their skin (or the contents of their underwear).

Oh, and for the digital thinkers out there, removing race from judgement and evaluation does not require one abandon one's cultural heritage. Pull your heads out of that collectivist ass you've all disappeared up and realise you can have the best of both worlds.

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I THINK I know what you're saying, here..... I think about it, coming-from a DIFFERENT angle, though----as in, SJWs are OVERestimating the amount of white people who are doing well, so that their sacrificial lambs, so-to-speak, look even MORE pathetic / lacking / whatever; because, for instance, "pathetic" sells newspapers, gets clicks / viewership, etc.

Well no, it's the same angle. The same overestimation of (specifically) white males based on averages skewed by outliers goes hand in hand with ignoring demographic data that isn't convenient to the narrative.

Again, the answer is simply that "white/black/men/women/etc" are not monoliths. Treating them as such is "-ist".

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08 Jan 2017, 3:41 pm

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All this talk about averages and statistics yet people forget that Eastern Asians and Jews regularly top those tables, far outperforming whites. Yet no talk (at least not from the Left) about Asian Privilege and Jew Privilege. Perhaps, dear virtue-signaling progs, your cross hairs need realignment, or (just between you and me) admit your true motivations.

EXCELLENT post----ESPECIALLY the part about "your true motivations"; cuz, I was just thinking that it's quite possible that SJWs keep coming-down on white people, so badly, because they're what's easiest / most convenient / most abundant----and, some of us are what's easiest because we are ALLOWING ourselves, to be the patsy. IMO, something similar would be the kid on the playground that's an easy target for bullies, until he starts standin'-up for himself. Now, obviously, it's not THEE same, cuz I'm comparing kids to ADULTS----but then, there doesn't seem to be many adults, nowadays, who don't act like children, if ya know what I mean.

Sidebar: Haven't seen enough of your posts, lately!

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08 Jan 2017, 3:46 pm

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At what point in history did women have all the power over men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

You really think women had all the power over men at that point?

Who ran the churches?
Who ran business?
Who ran the military?

who could legally beat their spouses?

Queen Victoria had complete authority over the entire British Empire which was at its peak in terms of size and power under her stewardship. No man or woman has come close to holding the sway she did.

It's astonishing that you're perfectly content to dismiss Queen Victoria as an outlier, yet you asked the following question earlier in the thread, and without a hint of irony:

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What percentage of CEOs, elected officials, religeous leaders and supervisors are men?

Much like Queen Victoria isn't representative of all women, that small percentage of hyper-successful businessmen are not representative of all men, nor are they evidence that either sex is oppressed.

You also came out with this little gem:

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I said that men, particullaly white men have it sooo tough.

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What percentage of women are beaten, raped or killed by men vs. men who are beaten, raped or killed by women?

Oh yeah, we have so tough, can I cry on your shoulder?

These are prime examples of the lunacy that drives identity politics. Who cares if individuals suffer horribly at the hands of the system if the group of people you've arbitrarily decided to lump them in with have, in your opinion, better average outcomes? Your position is literally the following:

"Stop feeling sorry for yourself, falsely accused guy who lost his wife, his home, his kids, his dignity and his battle versus alcoholism. You might be riddled with diseases and living in a box now, but at least you weren't born black! Or female!"

It's blisteringly idiotic.

I'm sorry, I forgot you are mental contortionist. Any shape to be right.

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08 Jan 2017, 3:50 pm

adifferentname wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

wilburforce wrote:

At what point in history did women have all the power over men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

Oh yeah. When working class Brits were free to beat their spouses and hardly any women were admitted into higher education.

You're missing the point Shahunshah. The social justice argument is that "well, 1% of white men have most of the power so every other demographic is oppressed". Queen Victoria owned most of the world, but that's somehow irrelevant?

It's patently absurd to judge people as monolithic groups based on arbitrary metrics in order to paint your preferred groups as victims of oppression. It also ignores the very significant fact that the large majority of men in the UK didn't experience suffrage until millions of them died or were wounded in the Great War. Yet we've been told that men have never had to fight for their rights in this very thread.

It's time the race and gender trolls realised their divisive narrative causes nothing but enmity towards them from the millions of people who don't conveniently fit their arbitrary little boxes.

I love it! One data point to disprove all others. You my friend seem to have these magic data points, that carry so much more weight than all others. Bravo!

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08 Jan 2017, 3:54 pm

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One data point to rule them all, my precious! Don't through that one into Mount Doom!

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08 Jan 2017, 4:04 pm

Why did Trump win? Because of virulent little bigots like this business executive (!) from San Francisco.

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08 Jan 2017, 4:14 pm

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Why did Trump win? Because of virulent little bigots like this business executive (!) from San Francisco.

Yeah, that doesn't help anything does it.

Glad the conservatives never make comments like that.

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08 Jan 2017, 4:27 pm

Darmok wrote:

Why did Trump win? Because of virulent little bigots like this business executive (!) from San Francisco.

WOW----if that ain't the pot callin' the kettle, black, I dunno what, IS!! (regarding the image)

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08 Jan 2017, 4:46 pm

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Asian privilege, is this all Asians? Do people of Philippino heritage have the same privilege as Korean heritage?

How about people of the Hmong heritage, do they have the same privilege as people of Japanese heritage?

I am not even going to touch "Jew privilege", whatever that is.

How do you mean ""out performing whites"? In bed? In the Olympics? At poker? That is a vague statement. Please lay out the specifics.

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08 Jan 2017, 4:57 pm

feral botanist wrote:

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"I am not even going to touch "Jew privilege", whatever that is."

Why? Can't criticise people with lots of power I guess. Jews are the most privileged ethnic group in the US and 3 of the 4 most richest countries in the world are Asian/Arab, yet all we get poured into us is the myth of 'white privilege'.

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08 Jan 2017, 4:59 pm

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Mikah wrote:

First we are talking inside the US.

But, do all white people have power?

Next, the US has 41% of the worlds wealth. Those other three nations you mentioned are not even close.
http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/america-w ... nequality/

Why do you guys always try to hang your arguments on these misleading absolute numbers.

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08 Jan 2017, 5:11 pm

Just asking but Campin Cat what are your political leanings? I myself supported Hillary Clinton right from the start even over Bernie Sanders. What about you.

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08 Jan 2017, 5:12 pm

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...she was still arguably the most influential individual on the planet (as well as one of the most wealthy).

Yeah, okay----now, THAT I can buy!!

The mere act of using "reverse" before an "-ism" is itself "-ist", as it implies that the "-ism" is somehow lesser based on arbitrary differences.

It's irrelevant whether "white people hurt/are hurt more", because when you endure pain and suffering it isn't somehow mitigated by being magically shared amongst other people in your demographic. Most of us have the fortune to be alive in a time and place that grants us greater luxury and opportunity than any of our forebears came close to having. Denying the suffering of individuals on the basis of skin colour or genitalia for political gain is both crass and selfish. It also flies in the face of the egalitarian, humanistic principles our societies were built upon.

I'm with MLK. We should judge people by the content of their character. Likewise, we should gauge the misfortune of an individual based on the merits of their circumstances and not by the colour of their skin (or the contents of their underwear).

Oh, and for the digital thinkers out there, removing race from judgement and evaluation does not require one abandon one's cultural heritage. Pull your heads out of that collectivist ass you've all disappeared up and realise you can have the best of both worlds.

Yep----I, pretty much, agree with all of this.

Well no, it's the same angle. The same overestimation of (specifically) white males based on averages skewed by outliers goes hand in hand with ignoring demographic data that isn't convenient to the narrative.

Ah----gotcha!!

Again, the answer is simply that "white/black/men/women/etc" are not monoliths. Treating them as such is "-ist".

This part is "sticky", for me----cuz, I've never understood when someone uses "monolith", in this regard. An -ist, to me, is someone who lumps lots of people / things together; so, does "monolith" mean, in this regard, something solid from which individual pieces can't be removed (as in, can't separate individual PEOPLE, from the mass)?

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08 Jan 2017, 5:15 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

Just asking but Campin Cat what are your political leanings? I myself supported Hillary Clinton right from the start even over Bernie Sanders. What about you.

Why did you support Hillary?

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08 Jan 2017, 5:20 pm

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One data point to rule them all, my precious! Don't through that one into Mount Doom!

LOLOLOL

No disrespect, intended, adifferentname----but, I gotta show my appreciation for this reference.

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