On punching Nazis
Kraichgauer
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05 Feb 2017, 10:40 pm
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
In hindsight I probably would have supported Jim Webb the person looked promising.
While I don't like Webb's stance on gays in the military, I still like what I know of his other positions.
I agree with you on that. I like that fact he is a bit more conservatively minded and sees the other side. But that has its downsides.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I don't think that poor people are to blame at all, Black, Immigrant, White or Hispanic.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
While that is commendable, would that same Stormfront member do the same for a racial or sexual minority?
Jesus I think I am getting emotional in this.
His viewing someone else as evil simply for belonging to a minority group is indefensibly wrong.
I don't believe right comes into the equation for those people. Rather, it's all about feeding their hate and prejudice. Right and wrong doesn't come into the picture for them.
You want to end discrimination the way to do it is by giving support to the people of West Virginia, Kentucky and Mississippi, it will eliminate the fundamental level of anger that leads to resentment against different peoples. If we don't do this than all hell could break loose, this is after all how Hitler came to power. The German people were angry over their inequality and with it those who they perceived as having had more.
I can't guarantee this will make most people change. But it will end the vicious cycle of hatred as their children will become less dissatisfied with the system and the anger will not get passed on.
Hey, I'm all for helping all people. But the majority of people in the south east are convinced that they should vote against their own economic interest by opposing a minimum wage hike, and keeping out organized labor. The white population of Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, and all the rest need to take the first step toward self empowerment, instead of allowing themselves to be distracted by hot button issues like opposing gay marriage or teaching evolution in public schools, and believing that the liberals who support such things are evil. That, and there is definitely a racial factor in this, as the right and left in the south tend to be divided by race. White southerners need to stop this tribalism of us vs them, and need to stop believing that allowing blacks to have a piece of the pie diminishes the piece going to whites. And no, I don't believe all white southerners are racist, but they do seem to be more easily manipulated when the issue of race is brought up.
I wouldn't totally say that. Democrats like Bill Clinton almost won over them as an entire demographic back in the 90s heck even Michael Dukakis received a fair bit of support from them in 1988 and he is extremely liberal. To be honest if I was a coal miner in Kentucky or West Virginia worried about my family's future I would have voted for Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton wanted to regulate the coal industry and if I was a guy worried about my family's future I would have been immensely worried.
Coal mining must be the worst job in the world, with threat of dying in a cave-in, or from black lung disease, or being worked to death by anti-union mine owners. In fact, there are more people employed in the solar industry than in the coal industry. If I was a coal miner, I'd welcome the possibility of new income with a new industry for the future.
Yes, but no industry is forever. Workers in every passing industry will have to move onto something else, and hopefully to something better.
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05 Feb 2017, 10:43 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
In hindsight I probably would have supported Jim Webb the person looked promising.
While I don't like Webb's stance on gays in the military, I still like what I know of his other positions.
I agree with you on that. I like that fact he is a bit more conservatively minded and sees the other side. But that has its downsides.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I don't think that poor people are to blame at all, Black, Immigrant, White or Hispanic.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
While that is commendable, would that same Stormfront member do the same for a racial or sexual minority?
Jesus I think I am getting emotional in this.
His viewing someone else as evil simply for belonging to a minority group is indefensibly wrong.
I don't believe right comes into the equation for those people. Rather, it's all about feeding their hate and prejudice. Right and wrong doesn't come into the picture for them.
You want to end discrimination the way to do it is by giving support to the people of West Virginia, Kentucky and Mississippi, it will eliminate the fundamental level of anger that leads to resentment against different peoples. If we don't do this than all hell could break loose, this is after all how Hitler came to power. The German people were angry over their inequality and with it those who they perceived as having had more.
I can't guarantee this will make most people change. But it will end the vicious cycle of hatred as their children will become less dissatisfied with the system and the anger will not get passed on.
Hey, I'm all for helping all people. But the majority of people in the south east are convinced that they should vote against their own economic interest by opposing a minimum wage hike, and keeping out organized labor. The white population of Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, and all the rest need to take the first step toward self empowerment, instead of allowing themselves to be distracted by hot button issues like opposing gay marriage or teaching evolution in public schools, and believing that the liberals who support such things are evil. That, and there is definitely a racial factor in this, as the right and left in the south tend to be divided by race. White southerners need to stop this tribalism of us vs them, and need to stop believing that allowing blacks to have a piece of the pie diminishes the piece going to whites. And no, I don't believe all white southerners are racist, but they do seem to be more easily manipulated when the issue of race is brought up.
I wouldn't totally say that. Democrats like Bill Clinton almost won over them as an entire demographic back in the 90s heck even Michael Dukakis received a fair bit of support from them in 1988 and he is extremely liberal. To be honest if I was a coal miner in Kentucky or West Virginia worried about my family's future I would have voted for Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton wanted to regulate the coal industry and if I was a guy worried about my family's future I would have been immensely worried.
Coal mining must be the worst job in the world, with threat of dying in a cave-in, or from black lung disease, or being worked to death by anti-union mine owners. In fact, there are more people employed in the solar industry than in the coal industry. If I was a coal miner, I'd welcome the possibility of new income with a new industry for the future.
Yes, but no industry is forever. Workers in every passing industry will have to move onto something else, and hopefully to something better.
But heck if Michael Dukakis could win west Virginia so could the Democrats should they play their cards well in the coming years. The party I believe has yet to have their finest hour.
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05 Feb 2017, 10:46 pm
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
In hindsight I probably would have supported Jim Webb the person looked promising.
While I don't like Webb's stance on gays in the military, I still like what I know of his other positions.
I agree with you on that. I like that fact he is a bit more conservatively minded and sees the other side. But that has its downsides.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I don't think that poor people are to blame at all, Black, Immigrant, White or Hispanic.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
While that is commendable, would that same Stormfront member do the same for a racial or sexual minority?
Jesus I think I am getting emotional in this.
His viewing someone else as evil simply for belonging to a minority group is indefensibly wrong.
I don't believe right comes into the equation for those people. Rather, it's all about feeding their hate and prejudice. Right and wrong doesn't come into the picture for them.
You want to end discrimination the way to do it is by giving support to the people of West Virginia, Kentucky and Mississippi, it will eliminate the fundamental level of anger that leads to resentment against different peoples. If we don't do this than all hell could break loose, this is after all how Hitler came to power. The German people were angry over their inequality and with it those who they perceived as having had more.
I can't guarantee this will make most people change. But it will end the vicious cycle of hatred as their children will become less dissatisfied with the system and the anger will not get passed on.
Hey, I'm all for helping all people. But the majority of people in the south east are convinced that they should vote against their own economic interest by opposing a minimum wage hike, and keeping out organized labor. The white population of Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, and all the rest need to take the first step toward self empowerment, instead of allowing themselves to be distracted by hot button issues like opposing gay marriage or teaching evolution in public schools, and believing that the liberals who support such things are evil. That, and there is definitely a racial factor in this, as the right and left in the south tend to be divided by race. White southerners need to stop this tribalism of us vs them, and need to stop believing that allowing blacks to have a piece of the pie diminishes the piece going to whites. And no, I don't believe all white southerners are racist, but they do seem to be more easily manipulated when the issue of race is brought up.
I wouldn't totally say that. Democrats like Bill Clinton almost won over them as an entire demographic back in the 90s heck even Michael Dukakis received a fair bit of support from them in 1988 and he is extremely liberal. To be honest if I was a coal miner in Kentucky or West Virginia worried about my family's future I would have voted for Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton wanted to regulate the coal industry and if I was a guy worried about my family's future I would have been immensely worried.
Coal mining must be the worst job in the world, with threat of dying in a cave-in, or from black lung disease, or being worked to death by anti-union mine owners. In fact, there are more people employed in the solar industry than in the coal industry. If I was a coal miner, I'd welcome the possibility of new income with a new industry for the future.
Yes, but no industry is forever. Workers in every passing industry will have to move onto something else, and hopefully to something better.
But heck if Michael Dukakis could win west Virginia so could the Democrats should they play their cards well in the coming years. The party I believe has yet to have their finest hour.
Hopefully.
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05 Feb 2017, 10:50 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
In hindsight I probably would have supported Jim Webb the person looked promising.
While I don't like Webb's stance on gays in the military, I still like what I know of his other positions.
I agree with you on that. I like that fact he is a bit more conservatively minded and sees the other side. But that has its downsides.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I don't think that poor people are to blame at all, Black, Immigrant, White or Hispanic.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
But I am sick of the demonization we give to these people. Every single demagogue in history including Trump rode on people's anger at their inequality. Until we correct this the cycle will continue and continue. We can go on and on about how these people's beliefs are deplorable but until we look them in the face and help them nothing will change.
So let's reach out to these people they aren't all bad. I once read about a Stormfront person who gave support to their wife who was depressed and suicidal. This person likely had empathy. We have to see what is beneath.
While that is commendable, would that same Stormfront member do the same for a racial or sexual minority?
Jesus I think I am getting emotional in this.
His viewing someone else as evil simply for belonging to a minority group is indefensibly wrong.
I don't believe right comes into the equation for those people. Rather, it's all about feeding their hate and prejudice. Right and wrong doesn't come into the picture for them.
You want to end discrimination the way to do it is by giving support to the people of West Virginia, Kentucky and Mississippi, it will eliminate the fundamental level of anger that leads to resentment against different peoples. If we don't do this than all hell could break loose, this is after all how Hitler came to power. The German people were angry over their inequality and with it those who they perceived as having had more.
I can't guarantee this will make most people change. But it will end the vicious cycle of hatred as their children will become less dissatisfied with the system and the anger will not get passed on.
Hey, I'm all for helping all people. But the majority of people in the south east are convinced that they should vote against their own economic interest by opposing a minimum wage hike, and keeping out organized labor. The white population of Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, and all the rest need to take the first step toward self empowerment, instead of allowing themselves to be distracted by hot button issues like opposing gay marriage or teaching evolution in public schools, and believing that the liberals who support such things are evil. That, and there is definitely a racial factor in this, as the right and left in the south tend to be divided by race. White southerners need to stop this tribalism of us vs them, and need to stop believing that allowing blacks to have a piece of the pie diminishes the piece going to whites. And no, I don't believe all white southerners are racist, but they do seem to be more easily manipulated when the issue of race is brought up.
I wouldn't totally say that. Democrats like Bill Clinton almost won over them as an entire demographic back in the 90s heck even Michael Dukakis received a fair bit of support from them in 1988 and he is extremely liberal. To be honest if I was a coal miner in Kentucky or West Virginia worried about my family's future I would have voted for Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton wanted to regulate the coal industry and if I was a guy worried about my family's future I would have been immensely worried.
Coal mining must be the worst job in the world, with threat of dying in a cave-in, or from black lung disease, or being worked to death by anti-union mine owners. In fact, there are more people employed in the solar industry than in the coal industry. If I was a coal miner, I'd welcome the possibility of new income with a new industry for the future.
Yes, but no industry is forever. Workers in every passing industry will have to move onto something else, and hopefully to something better.
But heck if Michael Dukakis could win west Virginia so could the Democrats should they play their cards well in the coming years. The party I believe has yet to have their finest hour.
Hopefully.
05 Feb 2017, 11:22 pm
I'm a jew, and while I might feel a bit of gratification when these neo nazis get punched in the face, I don't advocate doing so. The reality is, punching a neo nazi in the face doesn't make them hate me any less. My impression of these people, is generally that they are misguided. They tend to be people who need to feel a part of something, and for them to feel a part of something, they have to separate things into groups of "us and them", where "them" must be their enemy. They also have a tendency towards paranoia, and are inclined to believe rumors and fallacies that strengthen their polarized view of the world. In my opinion, it's best to give these groups as little press as possible, so they remain small, and also keep in mind that many antisemites and racists are not beyond help. I've seen people reconsider first hand, as my family does not stand out as jewish. On a few occasions, people who've known my family for many years have seemed surprised to find we are jewish, because, come to find out, they had somewhat antisemitic beliefs, which were refuted by who they knew us to be.
05 Feb 2017, 11:33 pm
Kraichgauer and Shashunshah,
Could you guys cut it out with the deeply nested quotes? It's getting to the point that on my phone it's literally 1 letter per line for most lines in the deepest nested quote.
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05 Feb 2017, 11:34 pm
Chronos wrote:
I'm a jew, and while I might feel a bit of gratification when these neo nazis get punched in the face, I don't advocate doing so. The reality is, punching a neo nazi in the face doesn't make them hate me any less. My impression of these people, is generally that they are misguided. They tend to be people who need to feel a part of something, and for them to feel a part of something, they have to separate things into groups of "us and them", where "them" must be their enemy. They also have a tendency towards paranoia, and are inclined to believe rumors and fallacies that strengthen their polarized view of the world. In my opinion, it's best to give these groups as little press as possible, so they remain small, and also keep in mind that many antisemites and racists are not beyond help. I've seen people reconsider first hand, as my family does not stand out as jewish. On a few occasions, people who've known my family for many years have seemed surprised to find we are jewish, because, come to find out, they had somewhat antisemitic beliefs, which were refuted by who they knew us to be.
I was referring to people on Stormfront. Many of them are simply unable to see the other side. Sure some people are going to be redeemable but the fact is many of them are also beyond help.beneficii, sure.
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06 Feb 2017, 12:46 am
beneficii wrote:
Kraichgauer and Shashunshah,
Could you guys cut it out with the deeply nested quotes? It's getting to the point that on my phone it's literally 1 letter per line for most lines in the deepest nested quote.
Could you guys cut it out with the deeply nested quotes? It's getting to the point that on my phone it's literally 1 letter per line for most lines in the deepest nested quote.
Sorry about that.
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06 Feb 2017, 12:55 am
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
06 Feb 2017, 1:16 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
We take action against those people because they pose a threat to others. I approve of that wholeheartedly.If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
What I think is that I don't believe we should see them all as bad people when many of them have good characteristics.
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06 Feb 2017, 1:33 am
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
We take action against those people because they pose a threat to others. I approve of that wholeheartedly.If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
What I think is that I don't believe we should see them all as bad people when many of them have good characteristics.
Then the should stick to their good traits, and lose the hate.
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06 Feb 2017, 1:36 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
We take action against those people because they pose a threat to others. I approve of that wholeheartedly.If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
What I think is that I don't believe we should see them all as bad people when many of them have good characteristics.
Then the should stick to their good traits, and lose the hate.
Are they still bad?
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06 Feb 2017, 2:33 am
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
We take action against those people because they pose a threat to others. I approve of that wholeheartedly.If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
What I think is that I don't believe we should see them all as bad people when many of them have good characteristics.
Then the should stick to their good traits, and lose the hate.
Are they still bad?
As that ideology is bad, then I have to think those who take it to heart are bad, too. But even people who had been raised with that hate, again like the son of the Stormfront's founder, was able to change his thinking.
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06 Feb 2017, 2:44 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
We take action against those people because they pose a threat to others. I approve of that wholeheartedly.If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
What I think is that I don't believe we should see them all as bad people when many of them have good characteristics.
Then the should stick to their good traits, and lose the hate.
Are they still bad?
As that ideology is bad, then I have to think those who take it to heart are bad, too. But even people who had been raised with that hate, again like the son of the Stormfront's founder, was able to change his thinking.
I realize this more and more as I know people. Wilburforce can't its just how they think we can't change them.
Kraichgauer
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Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
06 Feb 2017, 3:31 am
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
We take action against those people because they pose a threat to others. I approve of that wholeheartedly.If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
What I think is that I don't believe we should see them all as bad people when many of them have good characteristics.
Then the should stick to their good traits, and lose the hate.
Are they still bad?
As that ideology is bad, then I have to think those who take it to heart are bad, too. But even people who had been raised with that hate, again like the son of the Stormfront's founder, was able to change his thinking.
I realize this more and more as I know people. Wilburforce can't its just how they think we can't change them.
Maybe I'm just too Lutheran, but while I don't believe people are born good, I do believe anyone can be redeemable.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
06 Feb 2017, 3:41 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah-
If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
We take action against those people because they pose a threat to others. I approve of that wholeheartedly.If any of the Stormfront membership were to come to their senses, as the son of that site's founder has, then I will welcome them with open arms to civilized, pluralistic America.
But otherwise, I can only regard them as bigoted, small minded social misfits, some of whom pose a genuine threat to others. Here in Spokane a few years ago, a fanatic who belonged to another racist internet site had set a bomb to go off during the MLK Day march. Luckily, the bomb was discovered in time, the would be bomber arrested, and sentenced to prison. He is not the only possible domestic terrorist by a long shot. As misguided as the members of Stormfront, VDare, and others are, their hatred and paranoia make them more than just mere victims of their circumstances.
What I think is that I don't believe we should see them all as bad people when many of them have good characteristics.
Then the should stick to their good traits, and lose the hate.
Are they still bad?
As that ideology is bad, then I have to think those who take it to heart are bad, too. But even people who had been raised with that hate, again like the son of the Stormfront's founder, was able to change his thinking.
I realize this more and more as I know people. Wilburforce can't its just how they think we can't change them.
Maybe I'm just too Lutheran, but while I don't believe people are born good, I do believe anyone can be redeemable.
Its very interesting though, all the dictators Enver Pasha, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao did so many bad things and didn't own up to it. They simply weren't capable of seeing what they did wrong it just wasn't how their mind worked.
We got to meet these racist people half way, and give support to their children so they don't adopt this deplorable racist ideology. Its the only route we can take, people will never change their minds but their children might.
