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26 May 2012, 9:22 pm

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I have to agree that it's a current problem, not a historical one. The right has certainly been more pragmatic at times in the past - Eisenhower comes to mind as a good example.

And Goldwater. If he had been elected the problem that homosexuals have in the military would have been resolved PDQ. Goldwater believed the only thing that matters in the military is how well the men fight.

ruveyn

As I recall, Goldwater's conclusion about gays serving in the military was only arrived at later in life. I suspect his opinion on the matter in the 1960's would have been very different, as it probably would have been with the most liberal Democrats still.

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27 May 2012, 2:14 am

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better late than never. at least he evolved.

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27 May 2012, 2:20 am

auntblabby wrote:

better late than never. at least he evolved.

Agreed, I'd rather someone with dynamic views than someone who I agreed with more but who couldn't change his mind.

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27 May 2012, 9:51 am

Oodain wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Far better to have an environment that enables free enterprise to flourish and create productive jobs. Robbing Peter to pay Paul will eventually fall on its ass when Peter runs out of money.....

there are still quite a few countries with a better social mobility and economic freedom than the us who can provide not only a basic safety net but free healthcare and education.

oddly enough many of those countries werent hit that hard by the recession as they already had the required mitigative tools in place.

Free healthcare and education?
So you're saying that the facilities, supplies, services, and personnel that it takes to provide these services costs nobody anything?
Apparently hey do not have taxes in these countries.
Hmmmm..............

public then bad wording on my part i admit.

and it seems you arent actually interested in a debate or in what works elsewhere or your condescending tone would have been quite unneccesary.

I've debated it plenty on this forum. You can me condescending if you want.

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27 May 2012, 9:55 am

ruveyn wrote:

Raptor wrote:

As Robert A. Heinlein once write (or said). There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

ruveyn

They can't seem to grasp that.
It's economics at its simplest but they just don't (or won't) get it.
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27 May 2012, 9:59 am

marshall wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Far better to have an environment that enables free enterprise to flourish and create productive jobs. Robbing Peter to pay Paul will eventually fall on its ass when Peter runs out of money.....

public then bad wording on my part i admit.

and it seems you arent actually interested in a debate or in what works elsewhere or your condescending tone would have been quite unneccesary.

The right is not primarily interested in what works. They're interested in making moral proclamations (i.e. taxation is theft) and this comes before anything else. If I hear one more time how "the left" is all about "subjective morality" and the right is somehow "pragmatic" I'm going to slap someone silly.

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Making threats now are we?
:lol:

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27 May 2012, 2:51 pm

Raptor wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Raptor wrote:

As Robert A. Heinlein once write (or said). There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

ruveyn

They can't seem to grasp that.
It's economics at its simplest but they just don't (or won't) get it.
:wall:

"We" know that it is paid through taxation. :wall:

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27 May 2012, 8:00 pm

marshall wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Raptor wrote:

As Robert A. Heinlein once write (or said). There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

ruveyn

They can't seem to grasp that.
It's economics at its simplest but they just don't (or won't) get it.
:wall:

"We" know that it is paid through taxation. :wall:

And we have more important things we need to be doing with tax revenue than handing out free rubbers, abortions, methadone clinics, and whatever else your side wants to squander it on......
:roll:

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27 May 2012, 10:53 pm

Raptor wrote:

marshall wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Raptor wrote:

As Robert A. Heinlein once write (or said). There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

ruveyn

They can't seem to grasp that.
It's economics at its simplest but they just don't (or won't) get it.
:wall:

"We" know that it is paid through taxation. :wall:

And we have more important things we need to be doing with tax revenue than handing out free rubbers, abortions, methadone clinics, and whatever else your side wants to squander it on......
:roll:

Such as better means to murder dark skinned foreigners?

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27 May 2012, 11:00 pm

Considering that what passes for modern American conservatism is a hideous hybrid of racism, xenophobia, sexism, religious fanaticism, imperialism, and corporatism, I cannot sympathize with it. Conservative politics are rooted in a brutish desire to dominate and oppress other people, which I find morally repugnant. Of course individual conservatives can still be decent people despite their ignorance, but conservatism itself is an evil ideology.

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27 May 2012, 11:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

marshall wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Raptor wrote:

As Robert A. Heinlein once write (or said). There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

ruveyn

They can't seem to grasp that.
It's economics at its simplest but they just don't (or won't) get it.
:wall:

"We" know that it is paid through taxation. :wall:

And we have more important things we need to be doing with tax revenue than handing out free rubbers, abortions, methadone clinics, and whatever else your side wants to squander it on......
:roll:

Such as better means to murder dark skinned foreigners?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Which dark skinned foreigners are we murdering now?
This should be good............ :roll:

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27 May 2012, 11:20 pm

BrandonSP wrote:

Thank you

Attitudes like that make me even more proud to be a conservative than I already am.

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28 May 2012, 1:17 am

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

marshall wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Raptor wrote:

As Robert A. Heinlein once write (or said). There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

ruveyn

They can't seem to grasp that.
It's economics at its simplest but they just don't (or won't) get it.
:wall:

"We" know that it is paid through taxation. :wall:

And we have more important things we need to be doing with tax revenue than handing out free rubbers, abortions, methadone clinics, and whatever else your side wants to squander it on......
:roll:

Such as better means to murder dark skinned foreigners?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Which dark skinned foreigners are we murdering now?
This should be good............ :roll:

Kinda what we've been doing for the last eight, ten years. And I mean in Iraq, not our legitimate beef we've got with Al Qeuda.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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28 May 2012, 3:46 am

BrandonSP wrote:

Did you read the OP?

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28 May 2012, 3:51 am

*sigh*

I suppose team Red vs team Blue overwhelming my thread was pretty inevitable.

Team Red: Being fiscally responsible doesn't mean just cutting out the butter, you have to cut out some guns too, and there's a lot of waste there; this is me as a gunmaker saying it.

Team Blue: Yes, it would be great if we could just give everyone all the butter they need to live, but it does have to be paid for and all the good intentions in the world don't change that; it's not heartless to point that out.

There.

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28 May 2012, 6:47 am

Liberal, liberal, liberal. What does it mean to be a liberal?

Attacking an attacker is a sublime move.

We've got angry conservatives, we've got angry liberals. That is all.. Emotion, it has no meaning.

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