Dantac wrote:
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And the big problem I'm seeing here is that there's a message that is being sent by media, and this message is 'Travyon did the right thing. It's Zimmerman the one to blame'. And no, he didn't. Travyon found a minor uncomfortable situation in the street and he answered with full violence. However, he's showed in the media as the good guy
That was not established in court. Trayvon was not convicted of assault or battery. What happened to presumption of innocence?
The simple fact is that no one knows what started it off. But it's odd that Zimmerman, a "watch captain", never managed to identify himself at any time. He's incompetent at best. Which is why the HOA settled with the Martin family.
Watch do not have to ID themselves. Nor are they supposed to confront people. As you say, he also did not get the change to even try to ID himself. Thing is, it all points to Z. stepping out to see if T was still in the dark alley (he did not go into it) and was on the phone for 2 minutes, standing there talking to police dispatch. Per T's GF it was T. who confronted Z and we can see from the map and distances that T. CHOSE... repeat: CHOSE to RETURN to the alley to do so.
When its late afternoon almost night and a hoodie wearing, fully grown (@17 you do have your adult body) male that you THINK looks in his late teens (Z only guessed the age)... and he was black. You can cry me a river all you want, the truth is the great majority of violent crime is committed precisely by black males in the late teens early adulthood. The neighborhood had reported and seen black young males as the culprits of the break ins. From Z's perspective this suspicious guy comes up to him and starts a verbal confrontation, he tries to back out of it and then gets rabbit punched. Both Z's version and T's GF testimony back this up.
Well, of course. He had no actual position. He doesnt have to do anything. It's not a job. But a chubby little guy out playing Batman at night should have SOME skills. Being tongue-tied and "scared" didnt do him any favors even in his own version of events. He didnt control the situation verbally or physically. He probably seemed quite threatening and did nothing to defuse the situation. And that's assuming his version is accurate.
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gets rabbit punched. Both Z's version and T's GF testimony back this up
Really? She testified the following:
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He kept complaining that a man was watching him,” she said, and he described his pursuer as a “creepy ass cracker.”
She said she told him he should run — and then the call dropped out.
“I called him back. I asked him where he was,” she recounted. He told her that he was nearly back at this father’s fiancée’s house in Sanford.
“I said, ‘Keep running!’ He said he lost him,” Jeantel said.
“A couple of seconds later, he said, ‘Oh, s---! That n-----’s behind me!”
She said she could hear Martin say, “Why are you following me for?”
A “hard-breathing man” responded, “What are you doing around here?” she said.
“Then I heard ... a grass sound, And I heard Trayvon saying, ‘Get off! Get off!’ and the phone just shut off.”
Is there somewhere else where she gives George Zimmerman's version of events? Did I miss it?
Regardless, he's incompetent. Too worried about "these punks always getting away" and not enough thought given to what he would do if he confronted these mysterious "punks". Or maybe he gave it a lot of thought and this was the result he worked hard to create.
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You can cry me a river all you want
Right back at you.
18 Jul 2013, 10:36 pm
