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02 Jul 2012, 11:46 am

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Other than that, as superpowers go ... the US didn't do too badly at all with it, in my books. For most of that period, it was a very progressive era. People forget quickly.

hmm can't agree with you there i'm afraid. since ww2 the us of a has been responsible for many pernicious situations.

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02 Jul 2012, 11:51 am

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Other than that, as superpowers go ... the US didn't do too badly at all with it, in my books. For most of that period, it was a very progressive era. People forget quickly.

hmm can't agree with you there i'm afraid. since ww2 the us of a has been responsible for many pernicious situations.

Mistakes don't invalidate accomplishments, nor the other way round.

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02 Jul 2012, 11:53 am

no but the overall image of a country is not solely dependant on one of those, it takes both to make a complete picture.

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02 Jul 2012, 12:01 pm

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Other than that, as superpowers go ... the US didn't do too badly at all with it, in my books. For most of that period, it was a very progressive era. People forget quickly.

hmm can't agree with you there i'm afraid. since ww2 the us of a has been responsible for many pernicious situations.

They have been at it longer than that

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02 Jul 2012, 12:09 pm

"I took Panama". I've hated that sentence ever since I heard it first. 1904 was a good time earlier than WWII.

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02 Jul 2012, 2:12 pm

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The US military is about the only enviable thing you have, and to most countries outside of the US, China, North Korea, Iran, etc, military is not the item used to judge success. For the most part, the rest of the world just wants powers like the US to leave them alone. The US was a far greater nation when it was isolationist and true to its origins, and not allowing chickenhawks in bed with big business to dictate foreign policy

You are right. The U.S. made two Big Mistakes in the 20th century.

1. Entering the Great War in 1917
2. Backing Britain to the hilt and cutting of the Japanese in trade. We should have remained truly neutral.

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02 Jul 2012, 2:27 pm

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossma ... tions.html

Check from 1900 onwards. You should have remained truly neutral.

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02 Jul 2012, 2:58 pm

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I was thinking more about the colonial adventures such as the Spanish American War, the Philippine War, all the interventions in Latin America, all before the threat of Communism was used to justify the US sphere of influence. The First World War should never have happened, period. But I think the US was justified in entering based on the submarine attacks on its shipping and the damning Zimmerman telegram where the Germans attempted to get Mexico into the Central Powers and invade the US to prevent their intervention in Europe, which they saw as inevitable at that point. The Second World War and the US' involvement is also justified, in that they were quite clearly attacked. Japan and the Axis nations were aggressive and war was inevitable. If the US had not entered at that point, they would have fought Japan and Germany eventually, and probably on their own soil

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02 Jul 2012, 3:27 pm

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If the US had not entered at that point, they would have fought Japan and Germany eventually, and probably on their own soil

They did. Japan hit them at Pearl Harbour, then Germany announced war and launched Operation Drumroll, sinking thousands of tonnes of US shipping, right in its coastal waters, within sight of the New York waterfront even. Before the US ever had a chance to lift a finger or fire a shot in anger.

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02 Jul 2012, 3:39 pm

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If the US had not entered at that point, they would have fought Japan and Germany eventually, and probably on their own soil

I was referring to ruveyn's hypothetical where the US did not shut off oil to Japan. Had that been the case they would not have attacked Pearl Harbor.

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02 Jul 2012, 3:44 pm

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If the US had not entered at that point, they would have fought Japan and Germany eventually, and probably on their own soil

I was referring to ruveyn's hypothetical where the US did not shut off oil to Japan. Had that been the case they would not have attacked Pearl Harbor.

I think Japan would have still attacked the US.

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02 Jul 2012, 4:07 pm

i think the point was that pearl harbor wouldnt have been attacked at that point in time, allwoing the germans and the japanese to focus on eliminating the most pressing threats while still receiving oil to aid the effort from the us.

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02 Jul 2012, 4:08 pm

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Yes, exactly

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02 Jul 2012, 4:12 pm

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Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.

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02 Jul 2012, 4:19 pm

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Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.

Well, it was actually more the other way around. Japan just sort of did what they wanted, they never lifted a finger to help the Germans unless it benefitted them somehow. They didn't even try to help them with the Soviets.

That's not true of Germany, they supported Japan when Japan when up against the States. Germany was more Japan's fool than the other way around.

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02 Jul 2012, 4:39 pm

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Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.

True but if Germany had won. The War Japan would have been. On their radar Germany was lacking real war generals during the war. Which I am glad they did.

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