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26 Jan 2011, 4:17 pm

There are a couple of German 'super-tank' designs that I can't help but laugh about. One was truly massive and carried a naval gun. I cannot imagine anywhere in the world with terrain solid enough to support such a tank



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26 Jan 2011, 5:44 pm

The funny thing about the Wermacht/SS Waffen myth of uber soldiers that is portrayed is that the reality was only about 10% (if that) of the entire army was mechanised. So for all this high tech fancy technology in their panzer divisions they actually were still an army dependent on horse and foot for getting around.

Apparently though a Panzershreck is still capable of being a threat to a modern day armoured fighting vehicle, which i find quite extraordinary for a 60+ year old hollow charge weapon but then the RPG-7 still is capable of penetrating an M1A2 tank in Iraq in the right circumstances.

The T-34 is definatly the trump tank of the second world war. Considering the era in which the original design was concieved (mid 30's) it goes to show how prior to Stalin' purges what a truly advanced fighting force the Red Army was at the time. Yet it was all destroyed in the purges. Probably a good thing for Finland that it was in such a shambles


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26 Jan 2011, 5:46 pm

I'm a big fan of the German Sturmgewehr-44, often considered the first modern assault rifle
Those are also still in use in some isolated conflicts as well
I read the last combat Wehrmacht tanks saw was in the Arab-Israeli wars



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26 Jan 2011, 6:07 pm

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I'm a big fan of the German Sturmgewehr-44, often considered the first modern assault rifle
Those are also still in use in some isolated conflicts as well
I read the last combat Wehrmacht tanks saw was in the Arab-Israeli wars


On which side were they used. I assume the Israelis would not adapt a Nazi tank as a merchavah.

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26 Jan 2011, 6:13 pm

I believe they were used by the Syrian and/or the Jordanian militaries



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27 Jan 2011, 2:24 am

Aside from the fact that Welfare spending only makes up 1% of Federal and state budgets, while 2/3 is devoted to the military industrial complex, I don't think its going to make a damn difference. Because of the way multinational corporations export jobs to countries where labor is the most desperate and willing to work for the least pay, sometimes less than a dollar a day, the only way were going to be competitive is if we lower real wages by devaluing our currency and work in sweat shops for 12 or more hours a day. seven days a week.



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27 Jan 2011, 2:38 am

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Aside from the fact that Welfare spending only makes up 1% of Federal and state budgets, while 2/3 is devoted to the military industrial complex, I don't think its going to make a damn difference. Because of the way multinational corporations export jobs to countries where labor is the most desperate and willing to work for the least pay, sometimes less than a dollar a day, the only way were going to be competitive is if we lower real wages by devaluing our currency and work in sweat shops for 12 or more hours a day. seven days a week.



Much of the military budget is corporate welfare. In fact the biggest "welfare queens" in the U.S. system are large corporations whose profits are privatized while their losses are socialized. The major recipient of welfare money (taken by force from the middle class by way of taxes and fees) are white guys who wear three piece suits and sit in board rooms and dine at restaurants which most of us could not afford.

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28 Jan 2011, 7:29 pm

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Aside from the fact that Welfare spending only makes up 1% of Federal and state budgets, while 2/3 is devoted to the military industrial complex, I don't think its going to make a damn difference. Because of the way multinational corporations export jobs to countries where labor is the most desperate and willing to work for the least pay, sometimes less than a dollar a day, the only way were going to be competitive is if we lower real wages by devaluing our currency and work in sweat shops for 12 or more hours a day. seven days a week.



Much of the military budget is corporate welfare. In fact the biggest "welfare queens" in the U.S. system are large corporations whose profits are privatized while their losses are socialized. The major recipient of welfare money (taken by force from the middle class by way of taxes and fees) are white guys who wear three piece suits and sit in board rooms and dine at restaurants which most of us could not afford.

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You can't get an argument out of me against that. That's the point I was making by the 66% that goes to the military industrial complex, most of which is a subsidization of arms manufacturers vs. the 1% that comprises welfare checks, food stamps, medicare, etc. That doesn't even account for the, no strings attached, bailouts that these companies receive



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04 Feb 2011, 9:11 am

I think the government thinks everyone can just spread wings and fly.

For those who are a smart-arse, answer or explain this:-

They are cutting lots of bus services, yet they want everybody to be in jobs. How's that possible for people who live in little places where there isn't any shops or anything, and some people need a bus service to rely on? Most bus services have been running the same route for years and years, and they suddenly stop, all because the government are too greedy! Surely all this doesn't need to happen! I have to rely on a bus to get to the job centre. I can't afford driving lessons or a car, and my parents are working, and there is a nice, easy bus route what runs every hour, and I have to get it to get to the job centre, and also to look for work elsewhere, because there aren't many places to work where I live. So if the #?*%!" (nickname for the government) cuts that bus route, people like me will be completely f****d.

And if people chuck silly critisms at me, I don't want to hear it. There are lots of NTs who are well against cutting bus routes too, so I am not the only one worrying about it.


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04 Feb 2011, 2:34 pm

JNathanK wrote:
Aside from the fact that Welfare spending only makes up 1% of Federal and state budgets, while 2/3 is devoted to the military industrial complex, I don't think its going to make a damn difference.

We do spend more on military than on social programs if you exclude social security, but I don't think those numbers are quite right.



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02 Mar 2011, 7:55 am

Now I hear they're letting people move into council houses or flats then chucking them out after 2 years, starting from yesterday. What the f**k is the fairness in that?! !! So if I choose to move out of my parents’ house tomorrow, and want to be independent, I will be thrown out again in 2 years, (unless I buy the place, which not everybody can afford to). But what makes me so mad is they're starting to fine people who are living on the streets.....yet they are chucking them out of their homes. Um, what the f**k do they think they're doing to this country? What the f**k does this horrible bastard government think they're playing at? Do they live in a f*****g fantasy world or something? And I also have read in the paper that only the stinking rich people will be able to drive at least the most standard car.

So, let me get this straight......

The bastards are cutting lots of businesses and companies and jobs, but they want 16 billion people over the age of 16 to be in employment, but they're cutting our bus services, and they're making petrol and insurance of cars so expensive that only stinking rich people will be able to drive, but all the average class people still got to be in employment, and they're making honest hard-working descent people only live in their home for 2 years, then they're chucking them out and not give a s**t where they go, even though they're punishing people who are chucked out on the streets, even though they're not intentionally living on the streets.....
The government are the most racist bastards I've ever heard about, because I heard that the foreigners won't be affected by this council home thing. Fancy being discriminated against IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY!! !! !! !

I hope the financially average people (like myself) in this country soon get handed a reward each for achieving the impossible!


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02 Mar 2011, 8:01 am

Joe. There aren't 16 billion people on this planet.

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02 Mar 2011, 8:45 am

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Joe. There aren't 16 billion people on this planet.

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1 - it was just an exaggeration

2 - I wasn't talking about everybody in the world, I was talking about everybody on this island alone


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08 Mar 2011, 12:32 pm

The government is aiming for having all the rich people and the foreign people to have all of the homes built in Britain, and all the average people (which is the majority of people in this country) to be homeless and jobless. Yet the government wants the average people to be in homes and jobs.

It's a no-win situation.

I f*****g hate the government. I've never hated anybody so much in my life.

What about human rights? I thought this country had become very hard on human rights? This doesn't sound like human rights - this is discrimination, racist against British people IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and disgusting.


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08 Mar 2011, 12:52 pm

The old Dickensian rookeries are returning to Britain because the market will demand it. The poor are being told to move way out of town away from the jobs because the Market says that they don't deserve to live in the centre of town, and also they are not allowed to use the train because they don't have enough money so they have to spend many hours commuting by bus. There will be people who can not do this especially if work hours are extended. Slums will have to be built near the middle of town, this will become inevitable. The Market not only will demand it but also the return on slum housing is amazing. Those who owned the old rookeries made more per square inch than those who rented out West End flats during these times. Remember, the poor pay more.



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20 Apr 2011, 12:53 pm

The country is in 44 billion pounds debt, they are cutting our services, they are making everything expensive for us, we are losing our jobs - yet the government has just bailed out Portugal. Pardon my french but this country had better f*****g have a good explanation for doing that.


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