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Hi sliqua-jcooter,

The website keeps going on & off the "cloud" right-now, but as a Jeffersonian theoritical:
Since the victim is dead, and the potential defendant is alive, by using parts of the legal logic of Thomas
Jefferson for evidence of intent/rights for the unavailable person to assert (seems like it was included in the LOA edition of his works), the victim, being dead, had perfect
cause to fear for his life and was justified with rights by Florida law to use deadly force with impunity, rights which
were deprived the victim by the defendant, who by remaining alive, had a lesser degree of justifiable
fear for his life than the victim. Under equality of all laws, the victim's rights were violated by the
defendant. Under general guideline instructions, as if interchangeable for both being possible victim/defendant, what's right and what's wrong with this logic?

FSU library's copy of instructions, pages 7-: http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/flsupct/ ... 09-622.pdf

Both could utilize the "Stand Your Ground" addition/modification, and refuse to change their paths from crossing and/or meeting.

Tadzio

Yeah, that's the hydrostatic shock I mentioned earlier. It's basically a sonic boom being created within the body, but because the body is a liquid media the speed of the shockwave is actually much faster than it would be in air and can shatter bone and damage organs some distance from the actual wound itself. This is partially why head wounds are so traumatic, the brain does not have any place to expand to when struck by a supersonic projectile and quite a bit more pulping type damage is done by the shockwave of the bullet than is actually caused by it's physical passage. You can also have internal ricochets and frangible rounds that break apart after penetration causing sub-injuries, so the entry wound and exit wound(s) may even be in radically different places. The JFK assassination is a perfect example of this, where you had one bullet striking and ricocheting multiple times, leading the misinformed to dub it the "magic bullet" as they doubted the ability of a single round to cause quite so many injuries.

Expanding projectiles are often misunderstood, as though expanding to create a larger wound channel is part of the design criteria, these days the reduction in overpenetration caused by a mushrooming projectile is nearly as desirable as the greater stopping power of such a bullet design. Most police departments, for example, switched to hollow points after shoot through incidents when jacketed rounds went clean through their intended targets and injured innocents some distance away, notably the NYPD. Better energy transmission also means more knockdown power and less need for follow up shots, and anything that reduces the number of times officers have to shoot is a positive development.

I don't think there even is an exploding projectile on the civilian market, they're not terribly effective compared to modern hollowpoint designs and always had reliability and accuracy issues. Reagan was shot with a round marketed as explosive if I recall; the bullet struck a bone and it sort of rocketed rather than exploding when it's structural integrity was damaged with the strike. Lucky for him, as he was struck fairly close to the heart and a more reliable round might have done him in right then.

In fact, I very rarely ever get so much as a disrespectful glance from a police officer. On one occasion when I was a teenager, I caught some profiling over my TS: a store-keeper reported to the cops that I was on drugs after I stopped to inquire about what they sold there (which I didn't know because of the AS related problems tended to give people the impression that I was casing the place for a robbery or something), and a cop had me emptying out my pockets on the hood of his car. I've had people claim that I should have reported him for an unjustified search or something, but I think he just did it that way to spare me the embarrassment of arrest...probably because he was familiar with Tourettes and held the opinion that the store-keeper was an idiot.

On the other hand, catching flak from ret*d security guards is still dull routine for me. There is nothing I hate more than a complete idiot who thinks he's God's own gift to the law.

No, not in the slightest - simply because guns have never appeared on my personal "Hmm, interesting..." radar and probably never will.
I'm mildly curious and would like to handle some real guns, just for the experience - but any sort of competitive sport sails way over my head, we're a bit short on huntable wildlife around here, and we have no need for guns as a means of personal defence in the UK, so...

But, if I was one of the many people who were unnecessarily restricted still further in the pursuit of their fully legal interests as a result of an emotional response to Dunblane/Hungerford etc, then I would be extremely pissed off.

I have occasionlly gone shooting with my dad at a range...you basically need to have safety training before even picking up a gun and their is a whole technique for gripping ( to prevent recoil) and loading the gun, pointing the gun when not firing, cocking, and cleaning. But after that its pretty simple...the only thing is, its LOUD. Not like the movies.

The few times I've gone shooting, my friends and I had always worn ear plugs. Even then, the gun blast was super loud!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I fired a 50 caliber Desert Eagle once. IIRC. Might have been the smaller one. Big boom. If you fire that to defend your home, you'll be doing some home repair.

Those things are just for show offs and fools. Lots of power, but the recoil is pretty hefty and the magazine isn't exactly huge. You'd be better off with a .45 ACP 1911 or a good 'ol fashioned Colt .357 revolver.

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A Desert Eagle is more of a "fun gun" or a hunting pistol than for anything else.
I ran a mag through someone else's and the recoil didn't seem much heavier than a .44 magnum revolver.

.44 Magnum is much the same as a D.E., great for down at the range or hunting but not much for self defence (if you're running magnum rounds through it anyway).

Just... too big and unwieldy.

U have much experience with them?

Unfortunately no, very little. Canadian gun laws suck when it comes to handguns.

If someone pointed a D.E at me in an alley and demanded my cash - I'd probably be too busy laughing at them to hand them my wallet.

I have always said that a D.E. will be my symbol of extraordinary wealth. Gold plated. With tiger stripes.

Heh, I have all three, though my Desert Eagle is a .44 Mag and my .357 is a Smith and not a Colt. My 1911 does have some nifty smiley face grips on it that I made when I was the Comedian for Halloween a few years back though, those raise some eyebrows.
The DE is purely for range and woods use, it makes a really big bang and puts large holes in things with considerable accuracy and is just plain fun to shoot, plus it always gets attention when I break it out at the range. Everyone sees the things in movies and get the wrong ideas that it's some sort of supergun or the choice of gangsters and such when in reality it's so large and unwieldy that it would be nearly useless as a defensive weapon, sort of like the .500 S&W. Mine isn't tiger striped Titanium, but a more restrained polished hard chrome that I went for because the DE uses direct gas impingement as an operating system and that's notoriously dirty, and I wanted a finish tough enough to withstand some rough scrubbing and still look nice afterwards. It's like the Italian sports car of handguns; gorgeous to look at and lots of fun, but maintenance intensive and finicky about what goes into it. You pretty much have to roll your own rounds if you have the .44 version as it's pretty tough to find jacketed rounds that are also hot enough to reliably cycle the action; everything I put through mine is +p+ specced.

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On the plus side - you save a fortune by rolling your own & reloading.