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23 Feb 2015, 12:02 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
You know, I was trying to be conciliatory.
I understand that, but I need you to understand what it is that I'm saying, that you regularly misrepresent my views, and THAT is what is pissing me off here, not any disagreement on any area of policy or opinion. I'm very precise with my words because it's important to me to express my opinions clearly and accurately, and it's extremely offensive to me to have someone distort my views, intentionally or not. Until you understand that, this is going to continue to be an issue, as it has been for years at this point.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And no, I wasn't trying to make you look bad with the private property rights issue; rather, it's something I very much believe has limits. I brought the subject up in the first place to demonstrate how you tow the libertarian party line, even if it clashes with your enlightened view on race.
Again, this is an area where you don't understand my views, as my beliefs have nothing to do with libertarian orthodoxy and everything to do with my belief that limiting state power is more important to the big picture than any local injustices created by merchants putting bigotry ahead of profits, as well as my belief that forcing people to hide their racism doesn't make them tolerant, only resentful. There is no clash between my views on race and on property, it's exactly like my belief in free speech that doesn't stop at speech that I disagree with or find harmful.
Remember, I didn't even call myself a libertarian until relatively recently, and even then only as a short-hand for my iconoclastic beliefs, so saying I'm influenced by libertarianism is putting the chicken before the egg.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And just to make a point clear, I was ONLY talking about the fringe element of the gun rights movement. It was you and Dirty Harry who got bent out of shape thinking I was describing all gun owners as gun fetishists. Admittedly, that was the point I had been making when I had brought it up with Dirty Harry in the first place.
You used a term to wind us up, and you succeeded. Congrats?
Did you ever consider that I state what I have sincerely come to believe about you? I'm not saying that I was correct; I'm just saying that that was my impression, no matter how precise you consider your posts to be. And the simple fact is, both you and your BFF attacked me out of the blue. That was uncalled form, but I am willing to extend the olove branch.
As far as the property rights issue - I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. But the simple fact for me is, discrimination by private business for the sake of alienating and oppressing specific groups of people has historically been by far the worse evil. As for such laws creating only resentment, and doing nothing to eradicate racism - sure, there will always be jackasses who will find a reason to hate. But as Dirty Harry himself had posted, he had been in the most backward, remote areas of the country, and nowhere would customers be excluded from service. Well, that would not have been possible without civil rights legislation that ended segregation in both the public and private sectors. The fact is, because people had to open their doors to people who they had despised, hearts and minds in time came to change for the better through having to deal with everyone as equals. And that simply would not have been possible without those laws.
As far as you two getting riled up with my talk about the gun fetishist fringe - that had actually been the point I had been making. You seem to assume that any attack on some gun owners - no matter how insane their rhetoric might be - is an attack on all. Well, it's not.
And in closing - this war of words began when you accused me of parroting the liberal party line. Well, did you ever once consider that those beliefs and values were sincerely mine? Everything I say I believe. You want me to respect your beliefs, well, respect mine.
Again, where was this out of the blue attack. Trolling with the repeated BBF comments arent helping matters, BTW.
23 Feb 2015, 12:04 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox-
Seriously, do you even have Asperger's? You look at the rest of us, and tells us from reading our posts from when our blood is up, that we must have problems beyond high functioning autism. Well guess what, our quirkiness, and anything that you pick out of our posts that you find odd or disturbing ARE symptoms of Asperger's! I have to think that you are pretty close to being an NT.
And yes, I admit I don't know much about guns, but I do know something about the various political "tribes," and that gun fetishists out there are irrational and out and out cruel when it comes to their gun rights. And no, I am not calling ordinary gun owners like you gun fetishists.
As far as "house rules" are concerned: but it is a simple, black and white issue. Refusing to serve someone in a business open to the public, because they belong to a group that is hated, is wrong. It doesn't get any simpler than that. You're looking at this from the perspective of a business owner. I'm looking at it from the perspective of social oppression.
Seriously, do you even have Asperger's? You look at the rest of us, and tells us from reading our posts from when our blood is up, that we must have problems beyond high functioning autism. Well guess what, our quirkiness, and anything that you pick out of our posts that you find odd or disturbing ARE symptoms of Asperger's! I have to think that you are pretty close to being an NT.
And yes, I admit I don't know much about guns, but I do know something about the various political "tribes," and that gun fetishists out there are irrational and out and out cruel when it comes to their gun rights. And no, I am not calling ordinary gun owners like you gun fetishists.
As far as "house rules" are concerned: but it is a simple, black and white issue. Refusing to serve someone in a business open to the public, because they belong to a group that is hated, is wrong. It doesn't get any simpler than that. You're looking at this from the perspective of a business owner. I'm looking at it from the perspective of social oppression.
1. Since when is being intentionally obtuse and intellectually dishonest symptomatucof Asperger's syndrome.
2. If the best you can do is to accuse someone of faking Asperger's because they disagree with you does not say
anything very flattering about you....
Well, don't accuse me of lying anymore, then I won't question his or your Asperger's.
I don't believe I called you a liar.
But I did accuse you of being deliberately obtuse and intellectually dishonest. Are you going to try and tell me you're not?
Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion.
Your BBF Dox did. I tend to associate the two of you with one another, as you're constantly defending one another in your mutual admiration society.
You're too much, and on top of that you're jealous.
Jealous of what? No, seriously.
That's the effed up part; you were serious when you made that "mutual admiration society" remark.
And that makes me "jealous" how? And how do you know I was serious by using the term, "mutual admiration Society?" How do you know I wasn't inserting a little bit of humor?
Yeah, I guess maybe you're not jealous. After all, it seems you and aghogday have each other.
I fancy myself too much of a philistine to translate meaning out of that pseudo-poetry peppered with CAPS that passes for responses he's been famous for over the past few years but I did gather that he's trying to protect you here.
How sweet.
Thanks. I'll save that as another linkED quote for evidence of just another RANDOM online person too, who refers to me as famous.
I think the word you are looking for is INFAMOUS NOT FAMOUS.
AT least, I am hoping for infamous here; it's a nice little tool of literary human marketing device to use to get the reading audience attention!..
JUST HELPING OUT AS USUAL..
AND I FOR one don't give an F (red) what anyone thinks about me, as GOD is ON MY SIDE, LITERALLY ON MY F (red) SIDE.
WHAT more CAN A PERSON need and or WANT BUT THAT in this life or any other life, my so-called Christian FRIEND, too.
For me, it's enough, ALONE ALLONE and the Internet ain't my REAL life anyway, as documented in all the fun photos in all my blogs, bY the thousands, tens of thousands..... yes.. LITERALLY AND COUNTABLE FOR those who employee fingers and or calculators.
I have a real FLESH AND BLOOD CONNECTING LIFE with hundreds of folks ALMOST everyday in REAL LIFE.
i'm just here to teach....
AND that's loads of fun, sometimes too....
Truly you make it fun.
Thanks, friend.
Oh and here's just one example of how I connect to literally hundreds of gorgeous girls, in case ya think i'm dreaming.
Trust me, it's mightY FUN to be me...
That's just a fact..
A scientifically documented fact..
'WrITE'
HERE..
Yes, THAT pArt is most definitely a repeatable 'sExperiment' that is me....
for now at least...
at even age 54....
http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/12/09/gods-muse-of-dance/
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23 Feb 2015, 12:36 am
23 Feb 2015, 12:38 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-
I was having a discussion with you, and the name calling and accusations began. I was not expecting such an attack on my beliefs and honesty, and so responded in kind.
I was having a discussion with you, and the name calling and accusations began. I was not expecting such an attack on my beliefs and honesty, and so responded in kind.
Hey, friend, Bill.
Don't 'mean' to interrupt but in case you missed my edited link above, check out my other hobby beyond pressing 930LBS with my legs.
I Promise, you will be grinning ear to ear, by the time you finish, friend.
'LIFE IS GOOD', HEDONISTIC OR NOT.
HA! HA! living the HEDONISTIC GOOD LIFE is what I do almost every day
of
NOW. :")!
And folks think they can get to me here in 'fairy' land..
HE! HE!...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism
Quote:
Let thy desire flourish,
In order to let thy heart forget the beatifications for thee.
Follow thy desire, as long as thou shalt live.
Put myrrh upon thy head and clothing of fine linen upon thee,
Being anointed with genuine marvels of the gods' property.
Set an increase to thy good things;
Let not thy heart flag.
Follow thy desire and thy good.
Fulfill thy needs upon earth, after the command of thy heart,
Until there come for thee that day of mourning.
In order to let thy heart forget the beatifications for thee.
Follow thy desire, as long as thou shalt live.
Put myrrh upon thy head and clothing of fine linen upon thee,
Being anointed with genuine marvels of the gods' property.
Set an increase to thy good things;
Let not thy heart flag.
Follow thy desire and thy good.
Fulfill thy needs upon earth, after the command of thy heart,
Until there come for thee that day of mourning.
23 Feb 2015, 12:48 am
23 Feb 2015, 12:54 am
Gun control is scientifically proven to save lives.
lt cuts back on the potential number of suicides by limiting access to suicidal people.
(trying.. as instructed;)
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23 Feb 2015, 12:56 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And just to make a point clear, I was ONLY talking about the fringe element of the gun rights movement. It was you and Dirty Harry who got bent out of shape thinking I was describing all gun owners as gun fetishists. Admittedly, that was the point I had been making when I had brought it up with Dirty Harry in the first place.
Dirty Harry here.
Don't you think the continuous rehashing of the "fringe element's" conduct post-Sandy Hook is getting a little worn out?
I don't recall you answering when I asked if you thought it was equally distasteful for the opportunistic anti-gun lobby and their pet politicians to seize the opportunity to try (and in some cases succeed) in passing anti-gun legislation in the emotional wake of that incident.
Sure, anyone who takes advantage of an atrocity like Sandy Hook is below contempt. But they pale before the wing nut gun rights fringe who accused the grieving parents of being merely actors, denied any children or teachers had died, and claimed the whole thing was some sort of false flag operation by the government to seize guns.
Uh huh, but the anti-gun lobby and their politicians managed to get laws passed in Connecticut that f****d a bunch of people over for real.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_Concerning_Gun_Violence_Prevention_and_Children%27s_Safety
"The law is considered the "toughest", "strongest" and "most comprehensive" legislation relating to gun control in the United States, according to media outlets and advocacy groups.The legislation was introduced in response to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which occurred on December 14, 2012."
Do you want me to tell you what I really think about this, or would you prefer we keep out unofficial cease fire? If I was a gun enthusiast, I might be bent out of shape over this, but since I'm not, I'm remaining unbent.
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23 Feb 2015, 12:59 am
23 Feb 2015, 1:59 am
23 Feb 2015, 2:04 am
Kiprobalhato wrote:
sheesh, what a mess.
let's try and get back on topic people, enough of the keyboard battling and "he said she saids".
thank you!
let's try and get back on topic people, enough of the keyboard battling and "he said she saids".
thank you!
I don't know Kip, this one started out ugly, required a ban in the first 5 pages, and to tell you the truth, I'm not even sure what the topic was in the first place...
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