Do you Think We Should Start A War with China?

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Yeah, he was really... uniqe...

[quote="IdahoAspie]I don't think any of the Americans with a shred of common sense would leave for Europe for the simple fact that they have a shred of common sense.
If Americans are so dumb, how come you keep using all our inventions? I mean, there is a reason why our stuff is so popular and nobody over here cares about what you do. I don't even who your president/prime minister is, and I don't care because it isn't of importantce.
And American could not tolerate your socialist intellectually underdeveloped.[/quote]
For the same reason you use ours of course. I guess you won't care if we happens to exclude all americans from the Nobelprice for example. And we'll like our, the latin way of classifying organisms, propellers, zipers (you can keep you "original design"), spanners, matches, dynamite etc back too. (This was just swedish things, I guess the other will complement the list.)

And don't forget, most of you (I'm deeply ashamed for writing this ) originate from Europe, clearly you have your a shair of our good sides, too bad they seems to be getting rarer by the minute.

You ignorant... Europe is not a nation!

Yes... to even think about living in a place where trailers are not the most common residens, how awful.



That was the question? Easy to answer: You can't.

Not to mention that we'd starve without the German method of fixing nitrogen for fertilizer.

I find it so interesting how many times things like this come up. It seems the world view of Americans is based on episodes of Cops or Jerry Springer. But you would be amazed at the number of trailer dwelling southern rednecks who think book learning is just swell.

What is really sad is that is the view that America exports. Why do you make yourselves look so bad? Your media does you no justice.

Much of American tv is junkfood for the brain. I have no idea why anyone here watches it, much less anywhere else. I rarely even concern myself with the news. All that is ever reported is the bad stuff anyway...

You?! A college graduate? Which one? I'll make it my utmost to stay the hell away from it for passing an imbecile like you who can't spell proper (yur, politicial, irrate, reigm et al) and have the utter audacity to have a "political science" degree without studying in earnest the circumstances in any nation, instead painting entire nations in your brushstrokes of Europe = socialist and China = brutal evil regime.

Yet again, you've yet to answer my charges that you've committed severe intellectual dishonesty and malfeasance by not bothering to give any thought nor study to your target nation, let alone bothering to study the psyche of the Chinese populace, instead choosing to say "Oh, it's a brutal evil regime lol". You know that you're wrong, and then just revert to "Oh, lol, it's just hypothetical!" I might as well be Karl Marx who writes voraciously of socialism and applauds the chaos in nations where revolutionaries attempt to spark revolutions, and if I live long enough to witness the fall of the USSR, I'll just shrug and say, "Sorry, it was just a theory!"

Look, I might be Chinese in ethnicity, but I don't have much love for the mainland Chinese either. But the last thing I'd do is to be a ret*d, froth in the mouth and say, "Hurr... evil regime, bomb bomb bomb.. bomb bomb China!" For millenia, China has had cycles of rising up against dynasties, toppling them, reinstating a new Emperor and dynasty. When it fails to satisfy the people, they will rise up en-masse again and topple that regime. The latest uprising that happened was the Chinese Communist Revolution in the face of what was in principle, a Democratic Chinese state but a horrendously corrupt government that only served the rich and abused the rest. In fact, the Democratic government thought it was more appropriate to continue fighting the Communists in the face of invading Japanese boots on the ground.

While the present CCP is not the perfect model of government, it's not as brutal and overbearing as it was in the 50s-70s. The CCP is also not ignorant of satisfying the people and also well aware of the history of having an en masse revolt against its regime if it doesn't keep the populace happy. How it has been keeping the state stable, was by economic growth. It's something like the American Dream - when people have money and are able to buy goods and enjoy life, they won't have revolution in their minds. Same thing of not having jihad in their minds in the Middle Eastern/Islamic context. In the past few years as well, their President Hu Jintao has been making public appearances in times of disasters, such as the stoppage of rail services during a heavy winter, and during those earthquakes. He was not just walking around to view the damage like what the Burmese generals did and have some photo ops, but also rolling up his sleeves and doing all he could to pacify, comfort and encourage the local populace. It was unheard of, beforehand for any Communist leader to ever leave his luxurious trappings for such thiings.

What we have now in the CCP is a paradigm shift from the old, Chinese Communist establishment leadership to the technocrat pragmatists who have engineered what we in the world see as China's meteoric rise in the past decade.

Yes, it's true of what's been happening in Tibet and to the Uighurs has been tremendously unfortunate, and I'm not a huge fan of their tactics of demographic warfare where they just throw a ton of Han Chinese migrants into the cities and dilute their culture. But if you really want to educate them on those and to cease and desist on all that, the practical method of fixing it is to gain political leverage on China. But America has blown it. China is America's biggest creditor and in fact probably is the one that has the leverage on America.

Look, IdahoAspie. If you're not going to respond to any of my previous charges, elaborated points with weak defenses on your own "initial theory", I'm going to continuously bombard you with cold, hard facts of any nation or ideology that you misrepresent and attack until you put up a scan of your certificate of graduation from whichever college you came from for public mockery.

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I'd actually rather live in Europe than America -.- Mostly the scandinavic countries though. :p But also because i have my french citizenship, which basicly means i can go work anywhere in Europe :p .

idahoaspie: americans werent always dumb. your useful inventions have some age. americans started to dumb down in the 1970's, but werent thoroughly moronic untill the 1990's

bush took it to another level, and now your all virtually braindead. with the exception of a few.

how sorry i feel for those few :'(

That's the real punchline to the whole thing. Everytime I think our people must be completely stupid, I go on the internet and find out that the rest of the world has acquired an inexplicable taste for our excrement.

Some definitions are in order:
Americans: insular idiots
Other Westerners: cosmopolitan idiots

Ahhh...pity...the sweet and sour of it all. On one hand it kind of feels good, but can really tick one off at the same time.

I have been ignoring this topic for a while because the title is just so absurd, but after it grew to seventeen pages I had to find out why it was so popular.

I know this is PPR and many of the "regulars" think that flame wars are perfectly acceptable here regardless of what the rules say and several moderators have posted, but is there any point to it? I think that calling IdahoAspie insane or stupid is uncalled for, considering the fact that this is an autism forum and autism itself would be enough to explain this rather foolish proposal. This sounds like he is living in an autistic bubble that I should think most of us live in sometimes, though some of us are wise enough not to try to draw other people into it, even other Aspies. If we can't just leave him to his fantasy, why don't we give him his head and let him share it with us?

So, IdahoAspie, how are you going to start this war? What elements in China are you going to contact and what are you going to offer them that is preventing them from doing it themselves? Will it include troops or just war supplies, and how are you going to get it there? If it is going by sea, would anything prevent the Chineese from using nucelar weapons against military convoys, without fear of retaliation, if they are not sending military convoys against us? If it is going by air, where are the planes going to land?

Here we are. Entertain us.

I am not trying to offend any chinese person by typing this so if you are chinese and sensitive, be warned.
I think the biggest threat to the US is China. Prove me wrong, but aren't the Chinese the ones who are buying up American bonds, ie: our debt?
Don't you ever wonder what is going to happen? When you think about it, seems like there is only one way to be free of these huge debts the government creates. That one way would be a huge all out war. I hope it's not the case. You have to wonder what the future holds...what world leaders are really planning.
I'm not worried about what we have now, it's the near future that's more of a concern. We have never had an economic collapse during the nuclear age.
As for actually wanting to start a war just to improve the economy...it would be a horrible reason and would scar generations of civilians.
As for overthrowing the Chinese government...the US invading China in hopes of spreading American Democracy and turning the Chinese into good Americans it would backfire completely and be a million times worse than Vietnam.

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If you want war, where would you procure the funding from? China?

^Zing confirmed.

Although be it duly noted that until September Japan was actually the largest single holder of US debt, but I think we're not getting much more out of them.

Pffft laugh all you like but what's it going to be like 20 years from now?

In twenty years, a thousand dollars and 5 euros *should* get you a cup of coffee.