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02 Jul 2012, 5:07 pm

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i think the point was that pearl harbor wouldnt have been attacked at that point in time, allwoing the germans and the japanese to focus on eliminating the most pressing threats while still receiving oil to aid the effort from the us.


Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.


Well, it was actually more the other way around. Japan just sort of did what they wanted, they never lifted a finger to help the Germans unless it benefitted them somehow. They didn't even try to help them with the Soviets.

That's not true of Germany, they supported Japan when Japan when up against the States. Germany was more Japan's fool than the other way around.


True but if Germany had won. The War Japan would have been. On their radar Germany was lacking real war generals during the war. Which I am glad they did.


Germany had plenty of good generals. The leadership at the very top is what screwed them.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:09 pm

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i think the point was that pearl harbor wouldnt have been attacked at that point in time, allwoing the germans and the japanese to focus on eliminating the most pressing threats while still receiving oil to aid the effort from the us.


Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.


Well, it was actually more the other way around. Japan just sort of did what they wanted, they never lifted a finger to help the Germans unless it benefitted them somehow. They didn't even try to help them with the Soviets.

That's not true of Germany, they supported Japan when Japan when up against the States. Germany was more Japan's fool than the other way around.


True but if Germany had won. The War Japan would have been. On their radar Germany was lacking real war generals during the war. Which I am glad they did.


Germany had plenty of good generals. The leadership at the very top is what screwed them.


Which was the main leadership that I was referring to.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:17 pm

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i think the point was that pearl harbor wouldnt have been attacked at that point in time, allwoing the germans and the japanese to focus on eliminating the most pressing threats while still receiving oil to aid the effort from the us.


Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.


Well, it was actually more the other way around. Japan just sort of did what they wanted, they never lifted a finger to help the Germans unless it benefitted them somehow. They didn't even try to help them with the Soviets.

That's not true of Germany, they supported Japan when Japan when up against the States. Germany was more Japan's fool than the other way around.


True but if Germany had won. The War Japan would have been. On their radar Germany was lacking real war generals during the war. Which I am glad they did.


Germany had plenty of good generals. The leadership at the very top is what screwed them.


Which was the main leadership that I was referring to.


I was referring to Hitler and company micro-managing the war from the rear but whatever.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:21 pm

Raptor wrote:
Joker wrote:
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Joker wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
Joker wrote:
Oodain wrote:
i think the point was that pearl harbor wouldnt have been attacked at that point in time, allwoing the germans and the japanese to focus on eliminating the most pressing threats while still receiving oil to aid the effort from the us.


Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.


Well, it was actually more the other way around. Japan just sort of did what they wanted, they never lifted a finger to help the Germans unless it benefitted them somehow. They didn't even try to help them with the Soviets.

That's not true of Germany, they supported Japan when Japan when up against the States. Germany was more Japan's fool than the other way around.


True but if Germany had won. The War Japan would have been. On their radar Germany was lacking real war generals during the war. Which I am glad they did.


Germany had plenty of good generals. The leadership at the very top is what screwed them.


Which was the main leadership that I was referring to.


I was referring to Hitler and company micro-managing the war from the rear but whatever.


Hitler was only good at being. A soldier not a leader. Himmler Goreing should have been. The one leading Germany during the war.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:40 pm

Joker wrote:
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Joker wrote:
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Joker wrote:
Oodain wrote:
i think the point was that pearl harbor wouldnt have been attacked at that point in time, allwoing the germans and the japanese to focus on eliminating the most pressing threats while still receiving oil to aid the effort from the us.


Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.


Well, it was actually more the other way around. Japan just sort of did what they wanted, they never lifted a finger to help the Germans unless it benefitted them somehow. They didn't even try to help them with the Soviets.

That's not true of Germany, they supported Japan when Japan when up against the States. Germany was more Japan's fool than the other way around.


True but if Germany had won. The War Japan would have been. On their radar Germany was lacking real war generals during the war. Which I am glad they did.


Germany had plenty of good generals. The leadership at the very top is what screwed them.


Which was the main leadership that I was referring to.


I was referring to Hitler and company micro-managing the war from the rear but whatever.


Hitler was only good at being. A soldier not a leader. Himmler Goreing should have been. The one leading Germany during the war.


I'm not sure their priorities and abilities were up to par for that task, either......



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02 Jul 2012, 5:44 pm

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Joker wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Joker wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Joker wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
Joker wrote:
Oodain wrote:
i think the point was that pearl harbor wouldnt have been attacked at that point in time, allwoing the germans and the japanese to focus on eliminating the most pressing threats while still receiving oil to aid the effort from the us.


Hitler was using Japan as pawns in his quest. For world domination they still would have attacked. The US may be not at that point in time. But they still would have attacked the US.


Well, it was actually more the other way around. Japan just sort of did what they wanted, they never lifted a finger to help the Germans unless it benefitted them somehow. They didn't even try to help them with the Soviets.

That's not true of Germany, they supported Japan when Japan when up against the States. Germany was more Japan's fool than the other way around.


True but if Germany had won. The War Japan would have been. On their radar Germany was lacking real war generals during the war. Which I am glad they did.


Germany had plenty of good generals. The leadership at the very top is what screwed them.


Which was the main leadership that I was referring to.


I was referring to Hitler and company micro-managing the war from the rear but whatever.


Hitler was only good at being. A soldier not a leader. Himmler Goreing should have been. The one leading Germany during the war.


I'm not sure their priorities and abilities were up to par for that task, either......


Their priorites and abilites where a lot better then Hitlers.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:45 pm

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Hitler was only good at being. A soldier not a leader. Himmler Goreing should have been. The one leading Germany during the war.


Goering ordered the Luftwaffe to stop firing at RADAR Towers during the Battle of Britain because he thought they were unimportant...I don't think he was well up to the task either.

Good at being a soldier? Only Stalin was less competent because he purged his army before the war. I don't think you understand or comprehend the things you are saying.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:48 pm

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Hitler was only good at being. A soldier not a leader. Himmler Goreing should have been. The one leading Germany during the war.


Goering ordered the Luftwaffe to stop firing at RADAR Towers during the Battle of Britain because he thought they were unimportant...I don't think he was well up to the task either.


They would have been better off though. Hitler had no clue what the Hell. He was doing.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:57 pm

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They would have been better off though. Hitler had no clue what the Hell. He was doing.


Why do I even talk to you? How are you better off? Goering blundered horribly and more than likely lost the battle because he took for granted new technology he did not understand. But you want him as a leader instead? HE STILL WOULD HAVE LOST THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! ! It did not matter who led the Nazi army the first couple of stages, they were going to win by superior firepower. The first real test the Germans had they lost, and they lost due to a ridiculously incredulous misjudgment from someone you still want leading them. Are you kidding me?



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02 Jul 2012, 6:02 pm

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They would have been better off though. Hitler had no clue what the Hell. He was doing.


Why do I even talk to you? How are you better off? Goering blundered horribly and more than likely lost the battle because he took for granted new technology he did not understand. But you want him as a leader instead? HE STILL WOULD HAVE LOST THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! ! It did not matter who led the Nazi army the first couple of stages, they were going to win by superior firepower. The first real test the Germans had they lost, and they lost due to a ridiculously incredulous misjudgment from someone you still want leading them. Are you kidding me?


Because you have nothing better to do :scratch:



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02 Jul 2012, 6:18 pm

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They would have been better off though. Hitler had no clue what the Hell. He was doing.


Why do I even talk to you? How are you better off? Goering blundered horribly and more than likely lost the battle because he took for granted new technology he did not understand. But you want him as a leader instead? HE STILL WOULD HAVE LOST THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! ! It did not matter who led the Nazi army the first couple of stages, they were going to win by superior firepower. The first real test the Germans had they lost, and they lost due to a ridiculously incredulous misjudgment from someone you still want leading them. Are you kidding me?


It didn't help matters that Goering had major drug addiction issues, either.



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02 Jul 2012, 6:20 pm

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They would have been better off though. Hitler had no clue what the Hell. He was doing.


Why do I even talk to you? How are you better off? Goering blundered horribly and more than likely lost the battle because he took for granted new technology he did not understand. But you want him as a leader instead? HE STILL WOULD HAVE LOST THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! ! It did not matter who led the Nazi army the first couple of stages, they were going to win by superior firepower. The first real test the Germans had they lost, and they lost due to a ridiculously incredulous misjudgment from someone you still want leading them. Are you kidding me?


It didn't help matters that Goering had major drug addiction issues, either.


So did Hitler and Hitler. Made his soldiers do drugs. So they would fight longer and not stop fighting.



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02 Jul 2012, 6:23 pm

and the allies used benzedrine, the point being?


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and the allies used benzedrine, the point being?


That's not really a hard drug btw.



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02 Jul 2012, 7:45 pm

its an amphetamine and almost chemically identical to the Pervitin used by germany.


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